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It can be amazing what you can come across if you bother to Google.

Googling "Sucy-en-Brie, Underwood-Wise" produces these, about a man born 1962.
Possibly a grandson of Alfred Edward ???

https://dirigeant-societe-com.translate.goog/dirigeant/Marc.UNDERWOOD-WISE.20860555.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

https://annuaire.118712.fr/ppart/Val-de-marne-94/Sucy-en-brie-94370/Underwood-wise_marc-JAEFCACJGI_1E0070F00006R90200T90831S


https://www-traiteurdesgastronomes-fr.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

https://entreprises-lefigaro-fr.translate.goog/traiteur-des-gastronomes-94/entreprise-789403854?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc


There's also a female Underwood-Wise at the same address (scroll down to second row from the bottom of page):

https://gepatroj.com/map.php?q=48.75647,2.54950

They are both apparently named in someone's tree (the Parlesoupirail Tree) on this site:
https://www.filae.com

A Google search for Jack's name shows:

"Underwood-Wise, Jack Gerard, Naissance. Commune. Hauts-de-Seine ... Underwood Wise, Alfred Edward, Arbre de Parlesoupirail . . . . . . "

But without a sub to that site I can't see it.

That's interesting.

There's also this - related ??? Possibly a son ???

Jack-Gerard Underwood-Wise
in the International Patents, 1890-2020
Inventor: Jack-Gerard Underwood-Wise
Residence Place: None
Patent Date: 3 Mar 1960
Patent Country: France
Publication Date: 14 Apr 1961
Publication Number: FR1258406A
Patent Description: Châssis pour véhicules de sport
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Jack-Gerard Underwood-Wise


Jack Gerard Underwood-Wise
in the International Patents, 1890-2020
Inventor: Jack Gerard Underwood-Wise
Residence Place: None
Patent Date: 3 Mar 1960
Patent Country: France
Publication Date: 4 May 1962
Publication Number: FR77882E
Patent Description: Châssis pour véhicules de sport
Others Listed
Jack Gerard Underwood-Wise


Jack Gerard Underwood-Wise
in the Web: France, Death Records, 1970-2018
Name: Jack Gerard Underwood-Wise
Gender: homme (Male)
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 6 oct. 1929 (6 Oct 1929)
Birth Place: Levallois-Perret, Hauts-De-Seine
Death Date: 6 nov. 2006 (6 Nov 2006)
Death Place: Sucy-En-Brie, Val-De-Marne, France
Certificate Number: 000000136


Sucy-en-Brie is a suburb of Paris.

No record to look at but

Alfred Edward Underwood-Wise
in the International Patents, 1890-2020
International Patents, 1890-2020
Detail Source
Inventor: Alfred Edward Underwood-Wise
Residence Place: None
Patent Date: 16 Mar 1935
Patent Country: France
Publication Date: 23 Sep 1935
Publication Number: FR787463A
Patent Description: Perfectionnements aux dispositifs de sécurité applicables aux véhicules automobiles
Others Listed
Alfred Edward Underwood-Wise

You know his correct given name and DoB, so why do you imply otherwise?

You already have Teddy's birth cert, so you know he was born in 1907.

Copied from your other thread:

"It states the following:
Born: 14 August 1907 at 38 Elfindale Road, Camberwell
Name: Alfred Edward, boy,
Father: Henri Underwood-Wise, commercial Traveller
Mother: LINA Underwood-Wise formerly SCHWAB
Signature of informant: H. Underwood-Wise, father, 38 Elfindale Road, Herne Hill, on 18th September 1907"



Alfred E Underwood-wise [ also listed as Wise ]
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alfred E Underwood-wise
Registration Date: 1907
Quarter of the Year: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place: Camberwell, London, England
Volume: 1d
Page: 800

He's on the 1911 census with his parents in London - see other thread.

I tend to agree with DetEcTive, who said in 2015:

"I've a suspicion he disappeared somewhere in France. Considering the way his mother was treated, he may even have gone by a different surname."

I thought this sounded familiar.

Earlier thread, with much discussion and research:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1355285

The best place for pre-1911 births is the GRO index, where MMN is recorded

for ref

Name: Henri Underwood
Gender: Male
Record Type: Birth
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1880
Birth Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Birth Place: St Pancras, Camden, England
Mother:
Martha Underwood
Register Type: Parish Register

English and Welsh births can be found on www.freebmd.org.uk ( it’s free).

Try looking at Search members trees to see if anyone has them in their own trees.
It might be worth checking the 1921 census on Findmypast . You can search for free but have to pay for downloads. Together with the Electoral rolls might help you work out a time line for when they were in London.

I am looking for descendants of Teddy (Edward or Edouard) Underwood, born 1905-1907 in London.
Teddy is the son of Henri/Harry Underwood, born 16.06.1880 in St. Pancras, London the son of Martha Underwood (no father listed on marriage certificate) and Lina* Schwab, born 30.12.1874 in Nuvilly, canton Fribourg, Switzerland. Harry and Lina married on 19 September 1904 in a registry office in Zurich, Switzerland. They live in London for a while but appear to have divorced by the mid 1930s where Lina is found to live in Paris near her nephew Robert Schwab.

*Lina Schwab is my paternal grandfather’s younger sister. The family originate from the town of Kerzers/Chietres in canton Fribourg in Switzerland.

During my search for my grandfather's origins I came across various letters and postcards that he sent and received. In 1936 he writes that his sister Lina is destitute and living in Paris and suggests she contacts the British Consulate to get her husband to provide for his family's needs. Grandfather also mentions that Lina should finance her own divorce and not expect the rest of the family to help her.

I would be grateful for any information about Teddy and his descendants. Thank you.
Marianne Bick-Schwab