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I have found a relative who was in the military police in Cork Ireland, why would they be at these barracks?. My grandfathers sister married Alfred Rust her name was Mary and she died there in 1897 and left a Irish will leaving him some money. No records for 1891 (census) he remarried and they appear on the 1901 census.

Any information would be helpful.

Sheila

You don't say when or where they were born.

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OK - this is the death you mean:

Mary Rust
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Mary Rust
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1897
Death Age: 37
Registration district: Cork
Volume: 5
Page: 69


Her Will:


Deceased SurnameRust
Deceased ForenameMary
Primary Beneficiary/ExecutorAlfred Rust
Date of Death9 Nov 1897
County of DeathCork
FHL Film Number: 101599

Administration of the estate of Mary Rust late of Victoria Barracks, Cork ... granted to Alfred Rust, Victoria Barracks, Cork, Military Foot Police, the husband . . . . .

They would have been living in married quarters at the barracks because he was in the Military Police.

Perhaps I'm not understanding why you're surprised to find them there.

For our reference:

Alfred Rust
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Alfred Rust
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: No. 5 Block Married Quarters
District: North East Ward
County: Cork
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Rust 38
Clara Emma Rust 34


Both born England.
Alfred's occupation: Army pensioner; barrack warden.

Relevant ???

Alfred Rust
in the UK, Naval and Military Courts Martial Registers, 1806-1930

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Name: Alfred Rust
Court or Trial Date: 7 Oct 1907
Court or Trial Place: Curragh
Regiment: E. Lancs
Reference Number: WO 86/55

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Alfred Rust
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alfred Rust
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hepworth, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Bury St Edmunds
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: 28 Southgate Street, Bury St Edmunds
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Grocer Master
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Registration District Number: 207
Sub-registration district: Bury St Edmunds
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 10621
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Rust 48
Clara Emma Rust 44

Oh, I see, you're surprised about Cork because they were English?

Alfred Rust
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Alfred Rust
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's name: Ephraim Rust
Mother's name: Wm Rust [Ann ]
Gender: Male
Where born: Hepworth, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Fornham St Martin
Ecclesiastical parish: Sudbury
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Thingoe
Sub-registration district: Fornham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 1725
Folio: 100
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Ephraim Rust 44
Wm Rust 43 - [Ann ]
Frederick Rust 15
Sarah Rust 14
Annemarie Rust 17
Alfred Rust 9
Thomas Rust 7
Elizabeth Rust 3
Beper Rust 1

Alfred's not with his parents (or anywhere else that I can see) in 1881 or 1891.

Perhaps in Ireland? Or away in the Army.

Alfred Rust
in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925

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Name: Alfred Rust
Pension Admission or Examination Age: 40
Discharge Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1861
Birth Place: Waterford, Suffolk
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 28 Feb 1901
Discharge Date: 15 Feb 1901
Regiment: Miltary Foot Police
Rank: Serjeant
Regimental Number: 142

Yes on his marriage certificate for his occupation it said soldier, I have been looking for Mary Adams for 10 years and recently I found it on London marriages on Ancestry think they must have updated them! She is from St Lukes Middlesex and he was from Suffolk, it has my grandfathers signature on the certificate. Then found them in Cork, Ireland was there some kind of conflict why send him there when he could be a military policeman in UK. Just intrigued. Thanks for the other information. He also has a Chelsea Pensioner record for 1901.

https://www.rhqrmp.org/rmp_history.html

On the 1st August 1882, a sister Corps to the MMP was formed for special service in Egypt – the Military Foot Police (MFP). The Foot Police were recruited entirely from men recalled to the Colours, who had served with the Metropolitan Police Force. The MFP were authorised as a permanent Corps on 2nd July 1885, with an establishment of: 1 sergeant-major; 13 sergeants; 17 corporals; and 59 privates. The end of the century saw the Military Police with a strength of just over 300, with detachments AT ALL THE GARRISON TOWNS IN UNITED KINGDOM, permanent detachments in Cairo and Malta, and an honourable active service record in Egypt and Sudan, and in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War (1899-1902) where the majority of both the MMP and MFP would serve eventually.

Thanks for that information I will check this and see what I can find

Perhaps the Victoria (now Collins) Barracks museum could help?

https://tinyurl.com/ybpjsao2

Ireland was part of UK at the time so it would be a home posting and there was unrest for a number of years in Ireland, either could be a reason for him being there.

Thanks ArgllGran maybe get in touch with the museum. Also PatinCyprus for the information about Ireland being part of Ireland at this time, hope your painters have finished.

Sheila from Spain

3rd April, at tbe Garland- street, Baptist Oirapel, Bury St. Edmund's, by tho Rev. S. J- Baker, pastor. Sergt. Alfred Rust, Military Police Corp.) Cork, to Clara Emma, third daughter of Mr. Charles Wright, Southgate-street, Bury St. Edmuud's. DEATHS.
04 April 1899 - Bury and Norwich Post - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk,

Thank you Kay for that information