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MotownGal Report 28 Jun 2019 18:43

I wonder if someone could do me a kindness, and perhaps give me a bit of information about my ancestors Army Service.

William John Ives. b. 1851, Finchley, London.

1871 Census Soldier. Late Royal Marine Barracks, Woolwich. Now called Infantry Barracks, Francis Street, Woolwich.

1911 Census. Army Pensioner. Commissionaire/Gate Keeper, Daily Telegraph. Living West Ham.

Married to Susan Phoebe Tuck.

Any titbits would be appreciated.

Thank you.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 21:17

Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925

Name: William John Ives
Pension Admission or Examination Age: 39
Discharge Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1852
Birth Place: Finchley, Highgate
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 14 Apr 1891
Discharge Date: 14 Apr 1891
Rank: Color Sergeant
Regimental Number: 2544

Transcription from Ancestry but need a Fold3 sub to access the image.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 21:18

Also on Fold3

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920

Name: William John Ives
Enlistment Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1851
Birth Place: Fincheley Middlesex
Enlistment Year: 1869
Regimental Number: 1465
Attestation Paper: Yes


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 21:31

Looks like they may be on FMP

William John
Last name Ives
Birth year 1851
Birth parish Fincheley
Birth town Highgate
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 1465
Regiment Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Year 1869
Attestation date 31 Aug 1869
Attestation age years 18
Attestation service number 1465
Attestation corps Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort'S Own)
Discharge corps Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort'S Own)
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 3133
Box record number 79

Currently transcribing images!


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 21:55

Enlisted aged 18. Occupation a Groom.
Enlisted at Westminster on 31 Aug 1869 at 12 noon into the Rifle Brigade
His ‘Bounty’ on enlistment was a free kit & £1
He made his mark x
Magistrate certificated that he understood what he’d signed on 2 Sep 1869 at 10.30, Westminster Police Court

5ft 61/2 ins tall, fresh complexion, grey eyes, dark hair.Mole over right eye, Scar on chest & mole right side (London 1 Sep 1869)
Accepted as fit, Winchester 6 Sep 1869
1 Apr 1886 transferred to 2nd Batt East Yorks reg no 2113
15 Apr 1888 to 2nd batt Gloster reg no 2544
General remarks on conduct – Exemplary + something else. Signed Commanding Officer Gloucestershire regiment.

Various minor ailments listed between 1 Mar 1870 & 8 Feb 1881.
Treated at or medically inspected at
Adershott, Woolwich, ??, Woolwich, Aldershot, Gosport, Winchester, Dublin 9 Jun 1876, Curragh 24 May 1877, Fermoy 10 Aug 1877. Woolwich 20 May 1878, Aldershot, Winchester 10 Jun 1879, Poona 20 Sep 1880, Kiskel? 22 Oct 1880. Poona 8 Feb 1881.
Gosport 31 Mar 1891
Passed fit for re-engagement 24 Dec 1877.
Arrived in India 20 Sep 1880
Discharged to pension 14 Apr 1891
Home (which included Ireland) 2 Sep 1869-20 Aug 1880
East India 21 Aug 1880-14 Apr 1891
Served a total of 21 years, 225 days
Father John Ives at 22 High Cross Terrace, High Cross Lane, Tottenaham
Married Susan P Tanner (hope this isn’t the wrong soldier!!!) 6 Mar 1889 in Bombay
Children William Penton 30 Jan 1890 & Phoebe Mary 13 Mar 1891
Couldn't see any reference about promotion through the ranks


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 22:11

Did you find the 1901?

16, Sunnyside Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

William J Ives Head Married Male 49 1852 Gate Keeper (Daily Telegraph) Finchley, Middlesex, England
Susan P Ives Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Southampton, Hampshire, England
Phoebe M Ives Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Alfred E Ives Son Single Male 8 1893 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Lily M Ives Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Frederick C Ives Son Single Male 4 1897 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Beatrice H Ives Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Holloway, Middlesex, England

1911 census says that Phoebe's place of birth was Red Sea :-D
Frederick Charles Ives' birthfrom GRO confirms mmn.

GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 232


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 22:18

Gro Marine Births Indices (1837 To 1965)

First name(s) Phoebe Mary
Last name Ives
Sex Female
Birth year 1891
Place Serapis
Country At Sea
Organisation Consular/Overseas
Source Gro Marine Births Indices (1837 To 1965)
General Register Office
Archive reference BMR2
Record's year range 1891
Page 253
Line number 17
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms (FMP)

HMS Serapis was a Euphrates-class troopship commissioned for the transport of troops to and from India. She was launched in the Thames on 26 September 1866 from the Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Company at Leamouth, London and was the third Royal Navy ship to bear the name. She was sold in 1894. (Wiki)


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 22:23

Not sure if you have access to Ancestry, but found this transcription - must also be on Family search

India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
William Penton Ives
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1890
Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1890
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Father: William John Ives
Mother: Susan Phebe
FHL Film Number: 523864


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Jun 2019 22:32

William & Susan's marriage (Ancestry)

William John Ives
in the India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948

Name: William John Ives
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Birth Date: 1851
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 1889
Marriage Place: Colabah, Bombay, India
Father: John Ives
Spouse: Susan Phabe Tanner
FHL Film Number: 523863

FMP has the image
William John
Last name Ives
Marriage year 1889
Marriage date 6 Mar 1889
Spouse's first name Susan Phoebe
Spouse's last name Tanner
Place Bombay
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 38
Bride's age 28
Groom's father's first name John
Groom's father's last name Ives
Bride's father's first name William
Bride's father's last name Tanner
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-63
Folio number 59
Entry number -
Record set British India Office Marriages

S/Sergeant, unattached list - residence Poona. Father John.
Susan residence Bombay, father William Tanner, deceased.
Married by Licence, St John the Evangelist, Colabra


MotownGal Report 29 Jun 2019 13:00

Wow, thank you so very much Det. That is more than I ever expected.

I appreciate your time, Brilliant.

Thanks again.
Maddie <3

Edit. Yes you are right, it is Tanner, not Tuck. Been to Specsavers since. :-D