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I wondered if anyone has information on either of these guys. They are brothers of my great grandad. Their parents are Mary Ann cottingham and Leonard blackman. They both joined the buffs east Kent regiment and were posted to India. Albert was killed over there in 1917. I have a photo of 2 men in uniform with their mothers name wrote on the back and wondered if it was them. If anyone has any information on these 2 men or has them in their tree and has info or photos of them so I can compare to the one I have it would be gratefully recieved.

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1891 census

Leonard Blackman Head Married Male 42 1849 Farm labourer Wadhurst, Sussex, England
Mary A Blackman Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Wadhurst, Sussex, England
Dennis Blackman Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar Wadhurst, Sussex, England
Lizzy Blackman Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Wadhurst, Sussex, England
Anne Blackman Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Wadhurst, Sussex, England
Rose Blackman Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Wadhurst, Sussex, England
George H Blackman Son - Male 1 1890 - Etchingham, Sussex, England

Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%)
Blackman Albert Turner Tenterden 2a 1485
Turner Nellie Blackman Tenterden 2a 1485


Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
BLACKMAN William A Turner Tenterden 2a 1710


First name(s) William Albert
County Kent
Last name Blackman
Country England
Birth year 1915
Archive Kent History & Library Centre
Birth date 05 Jan 1915
Archive reference P308/1/B/2
Baptism date 28 Feb 1915
Register type Baptisms
Baptism year 1915
Year range 1856-1936
Place Rolvenden, St Mary the Virgin
Page 236
Residence Maplesden Bennenden
Record set Kent Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Albert
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's occupation Labourer
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Nellie


Name: William Albert Blackman
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1915
Registration Date: Nov 1988
Registration District: Surrey North-western
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 763


Name: William Albert Blackman
Death Date: 12 Sep 1988
Death Place: Camberley Surrey
Probate Date: 19 Oct 1988
Probate Registry: Llandaff

Name: William Albert Blackman
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1915
Residence Place: Sandhurst Kent
Relation to Soldier: Child
Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description: Other Ranks Died Black WI-Blackmer LG
Name Relation to Soldier
Albert Blackman
Nellie Blackman Widow
William Albert Blackman Child

Can you see the cap badges in the photo? The East Kent Regiment badge is something like a winged dragon with "The Buffs" written underneath.

If the two men in the photo have this badge then it is likely to be the two men you mention.

Kath. x

PRIVATE
ALBERT BLACKMAN

Service Number: 203078
Regiment & Unit/Ship
The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)

1st/4th Bn.

Date of Death
Died 27 December 1917

Buried or commemorated at
BAREILLY CEMETERY

Plot L. Grave 77.

India


Country of Service
United Kingdom

Kath. x

First name(s) George Herry
Regiment Manchester Regiment
Last name Blackman
Series WO 364
Birth year 1889
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Birth town Burgess Hill
Archive The National Archives
Birth county Sussex
Record set British Army Service Records
Birth country England
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Age 19
Subcategory First World War
Year 1908


NOK Leonard Blackman, father

First name(s) George Henry
Attestation corps 3rd Battn The Buffs
Last name Blackman
Document type Attestation
Birth year 1888
Archive reference WO 96
Birth parish Dover
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Birth town Dover
Box 33
Birth county Kent
Box record number 60
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Service number 8250
Country England
Regiment Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
Record set British Army Service Records
Year 1906
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation date 01 Oct 1906
Home address: 56, Tower Hill, DOVER
Occupation; Waiter

there are a number of trees on ancestry who have albert
eg
Beverley Smith
Australia
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his wll
Name
Albert Blackman
Death Date
20 May 1917
Death Place
Surrey, England
Probate Date
8 Jun 1918
Probate Registry
London, England
Household members

george family tree
Gordon Paul Fenn
Age: 60+

1921

William A
Blackman
1915
Rolvenden, Kent, England
Camberwell
Camberwell
London, Surrey

John
Chubb
1895
Camberwell, London, England
Camberwell

Dorothy H
Chubb
1919
Sandhurst, Kent, England
Camberwell

Ellen M
Chubb
1895
Borough Green, Kent, England
Camberwell


Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Chubb Dorothy H Turner Cranbrook 2a 1426

Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
Blackman Ellen H Chubb Cranbrook 2a 2101
Chubb Leonard J Blackman Cranbrook 2a 2101

1939

51 Glenfield Road, Ealing
John L Chubb 28 Apr 1896 Male Carpenter Married 108 1
Ellen M Chubb 03 Sep 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 108 2
Leonard J Chubb 29 Apr 1921 Male Carpenter's Labourer Single 108 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Basil J Chubb 01 Jun 1925 Male Messenger Single 108 5
The record for this person is officially closed.

All Chubb/Turner births can be found on freebmd
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Chubb Dorothy H Williams Brentford 3a 824
Williams Laurence H J Chubb Brentford 3a 824

Marriages Sep 1951 (>99%)
CHUBB Dorothy H LIONS Ealing 5e 661
LIONS Dorothy H LIONS Ealing 5e 661
LIONS George A E LIONS Ealing 5e 661
LIONS George A E WILLIAMS Ealing 5e 661
LIONS George A E CHUBB Ealing 5e 661
WILLIAMS Dorothy H LIONS Ealing 5e 661


Lions
George Albert Edward
15/03/1916
22/12/2004
Scotland, Modern And Civil Deaths & Burials 1855-2021
Dunfermline, Fife
MMN = Adams

LIONS
DOROTHY HELENA
76
TURNER.........................................MMN
1996
432/ 3
Dunfermline

Name: Laurence H J Williams
Electoral Date: 1948
Street Address: 49, Leigham Vale
Ward or Division/Constituency: Clapham, Putney and Streatham
County or Borough: Wandsworth, England
With Dorothy Williams, Florence E Blackman and Florence Dyson

Name: Laurence H J Williams
Electoral Date: 1946
Street Address: 51 Glenfield Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Ealing South
County or Borough: Ealing, England
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0710
With Dorothy Williams, Ellen Chubb, Basil Chubb and Joy Elsworth



Name: Lawrence H. J. Williams
Birth Date: 1914
Death Date: 1989
Cemetery: Fairview Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Niagara Falls, Niagara Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Spouse:
Dorothy Williams


Name: Dorothy Williams
Birth Date: 1918
Death Date: 2004
Cemetery: Fairview Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Niagara Falls, Niagara Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Spouse: Lawrence H. J. Williams

Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%)
BLACKMAN Dorothy M WILLIAMS Surrey N.E. 5g 1270
MITCHELL Dorothy M WILLIAMS Surrey N.E. 5g 1270
WILLIAMS Lawrence H J BLACKMAN Surrey N.E. 5g 1270
WILLIAMS Lawrence H J MITCHELL Surrey N.E. 5g 1270


Name: Dorothy M Mitchell
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Spouse: William A Blackman
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 1226

do you have his service card (adding to KathleenBell's post)

Albert Blackman (203078) DOB 3.9.95

cause of death 'tubercle of lung aggravated by active service'

widow Nellie of Lower Green, Sandhurst

son William Albert (born before wedlock) 5-1-15

Hi. No I unfortunately I dont have his service card. I only discovered him a few days ago. Thank you for all the information. You are all so helpful.

Hi, Albert was my grandmothers brother. He was killed and buried in India.
He is commemorated on our war memorial here in Rolvenden. A local historian is writing a book on all the men on the memorial and is keen to get a photo but none of the older family members have one. We’d be interested to see the photo to see if anyone might recognise him and it might answer your query

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