Genealogy Chat

Am looking for the marriage of:

William Thomas Gregory
b1878 - Madeley, Staffordshire
d1945 - Rochdale, Lancashire

Daughter

Edna Gregory
b ??
married: Thomas Colley in Littleborough in 1948
had 2 sons: 1950 and 1954

Can't find a marriage which ties with the birth of Edna. Any help gratefully received.

Thanks

Melanie

To help those that don't live in the UK, where is Littleborough?

Ozi.

Update: OK, probably the Manchester one.

Possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1902
Ashworth Margaret Ellen Blackburn 8e 759
Gregory William Thomas Blackburn 8e 759

... and on LancashireBMD:
1902: GREGORY William Thomas & ASHWORTH Margaret Ellen, Witton, St Mark Blackburn


... with some GREGORY births in the area where MMN=Ashworth:

Births Jun 1914
GREGORY William Ashworth Haslingden 8e 219

Births Jun 1920
Gregory John R Ashworth Bolton 8c 921

Births Dec 1923
Gregory Robert Ashworth Bolton 8c 676

Do you know the names of any uncles & aunts, cousins, etc?

Perhaps a copy of her marriage cert would help with her age ?

july 48 10d 209.

Hi

Am fairly sure that Edna was an only child as my Aunt only mentions her and was very specific when recording names and occupations.

I am guessing that she would have been born c1910 due to when she had the children.

I am a bit reluctant to buy her marriage cert yet as William is my Grandmothers oldest brother and am just trying to fill in some gaps to complete that part. I am only tracing Edna to try and find Williams marriage.

Thanks for your help everyone

Melanie

Littleborough is under Rochdale Lancs

1901
William T Gregory 21y ldge Plate[railway] Madley
is in St Helens Lancs he is still single.
if he worked for the railways he would move around
quite a bit.

Mavis

Just located the death of Edna Colley
Nov 1997 Rochdale date of birth 17 Feb 1922

Birth
Edna Gregory Mth M name Cresswell
Mar Q 1922 Rochdale 8e 4

Mavis

Aha! The Gregory/Cresswell birth caught my eye earlier. For Edna to have sons in the early 50s you'd expect her to be in her 30s or younger. Making her birth c1925.

However I couldn't find a Gregory/Cresswell marriage (a male Gregory) that fits the bill. This makes me wonder if Edna's mother had been married before. If that was the case, her maiden name would be on her children's birth certs but her married name & maiden name would be on her marriage cert with her married name used for the index.

You'll definitely need to get Edna's birth cert to find out who her mother was.

Ozi.

Thanks all

I found the Cresswell link to but couldn't link it to the marriage with William.

I have now re-read through all my Aunts notes where she flits from decade to decade and person to person and it is hard going to read ! I have found a sentence which says my brothers wife is Margaret in Rochdale.

Am now going to look for a Margaret Gregory death in Rochdale to try and narrow it down.

Thanks for looking.

Melanie

Hi

Am getting a bit confused .. so would it always give the mothers maiden name on a birth record, even if there was a previous marriage ?

Thanks

Melanie

There is a Margaret Cresswell living in Rochdale in 1901:

Name: Margaret A Cresswell
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Milnrow
Ecclesiastical parish: Newhey St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Butterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 201
Arthur Cresswell 12
Clara Cresswell 13
Emma Cresswell 43
Florence Cresswell 10
Hannah Cresswell 15
Margaret A Cresswell 17
Maria Cresswell 8
William Cresswell 18

... here's her birth:

Births Jun 1884
Cresswell Margaret Ann Saddleworth 9a 255


... and a possible 1st marriage:

Marriages Sep 1910
Brierley Annie Rochdale 8e 32
BUTTERWORTH William Rochdale 8e 32
Cresswell Margaret A Rochdale 8e 32
Whittle Thomas Rochdale 8e 32


... so maybe someone can find a marriage between William Gregory & either Margaret Butterworth or Margaret Whittle, sometime between 1910 & 1922?

Thanks Richard

No Butterworth marriage either ! Have contacted several Cemeteries in Rochdale but haven't been able to find where William is buried to see if anyone else is with him. Have 2 more possibles to go tomorrow.

Thanks

Melanie

Hello Melanie, no luck?

I searched all William Gregory marriages in the Greater Manchester area yesterday & tried to connect them to a Cresswell marriage with no luck either.

You asked abt the mother's maiden name on birth certs. It depends on the individual. I've seen both situations using either former married name or maiden name.

Ozi.

I believe I may have found Margaret A Gregory death

june Q 1960 76y Littleborough 10d 59

A copy should give you an informer which could be daughter or son in law, Edna or Thomas Colley !!

this ties in with Margaret Ann Cresswell 1884
born Saddleworth living in Rochdale 1901


Mavis

Found it!!!

***************************************************************
Sep qtr 1920:
Gregory, William T, Butterworth, Rochdale, 8e, 70
Butterworth, Margaret A, Gregory, Rochdale, 8e, 70
***************************************************************

so to recap:

Births Jun 1884
Cresswell Margaret Ann Saddleworth 9a 255

Marriages Sep 1910
BUTTERWORTH William Rochdale 8e 32
Cresswell Margaret A Rochdale 8e 32

Marriages Sep 1920
Gregory, William T, Butterworth, Rochdale, 8e, 70
Butterworth, Margaret A, Gregory, Rochdale, 8e, 70

Births March 1922
Gregory Edna, Cresswell, Rochdale 8e 4

Deaths Jun 1960
Gregory, Margaret A, 76, Littleborough 10d 59


Cheers,
Richard

Thankyou so much Richard

My head was battered from trying to make the connection. I have pages of lists of possible names and wasn't getting anywhere. Its one of those links which doesn't move me much further along but was really annoying me as I couldn't find it.

Thanks to all the other posters who have helped also.

Melanie

Brilliant, Richard!

Ozi.