Genealogy Chat

Hi everyone,
She was my paternal grandmother who married Henry James Buggs in (I think) 1901 in Woolwich London. I think she was born in 1885 Bethnal Green London. I found a Susan Colley in the 1891 census but can't find her anywhere else! She had lots of children and I have details of nine of these giving her maiden name as Colley. One of them however born in 1906 does not give Mother's maiden name? Help don't know where to go next.
Doreen.

are you sure about the date of birth and marriage please

this seems to fit with the names given

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Henry James Buggs Name: Henry James Buggs
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Spouse Name: Susan Colley
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Dec 1913
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Kensal Green
County: London
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Henry Buggs
Spouse Father Name: George Colley

Is this her in 1911?

COLLEY, Susan Head Married 27 years F 49 1862 London Deptford
COLLEY, Susan Daughter Single F 19 1892 Dressmaker Machinist London Kensington
COLLEY, Harry Son M 13 1898 Scholar London Paddington
CAPRA, Rheta Nurse Child F 2 1909 London Marylebone
HUTCHINGS, Maisie Nurse Child F 1 1910 London Marylebone
PICHARD, John Lodger Single M 28 1883 Laundry Washhouseman London Kensington
CHARLES, Charles Lodger Single M 24 1887 Carman London Mortlake

RG number:RG14
Piece:43
Reference:RG14PN43 RD1 SD2 ED3 SN68
Registration District:Paddington
Sub District:Paddington Central
Enumeration District:3
Parish: Paddington
Address:9 Modena Street County:London

And in 1901?

COLLEY, Susan Married F 40 1861 Castle Cary Somersetshire
COLLEY, Susan Daughter Single F 9 1892 Kensington London
COLLEY, Harry Son Single M 3 1898 Paddington London

RG number:RG13
Piece:9
Folio:109
Page:39
Registration District:Paddington
Sub District:St Mary Paddington
Enumeration District:37
Ecclesiastical Parish:St Andrew & St Philip
Civil Parish:Paddington
Address:7, Modena Street, Paddington County:London

Hi Tempest,
To be honest Iam very new to this and not really sure about anything on my Father's side! His Mum and Dad were just Nanny and Grandad to me. The name Susan Colley was on my father's birth certificate (Henry Edwin Buggs D.O.B. 23 jULY 1914 Fulham - died 16 July 1970 in Dorset). And as mentioned the name Colley is given as Mother's maiden name on all of his brothers and sisters I can account for except for Stanley George d.o.b. 1906 - could he have been born before they married? Am finding this very interesting but don't know my way around site too well and everything seems to take me ages! I have very few coherent elderly relatives left to ask as both parents deceased.
Any help/tips/advice appreciated.
Best regards
Doreen

Henry in 1901? I have found the same person in 1911 still single but living in Essex

BALE, Jane Head Widow F 64 1837 Retired Schoolmistress Stockbridge
Hampshire
BUGGS, Amy Daughter Widow F 34 1867 Help To The Above Houghton
Essex
BUGGS, Henry J Grand Son M 10 1891 Meopham Kent

RG number:RG13
Piece:631
Folio:65
Page:43

Registration District:Godstone
Sub District:Godstone
Enumeration District:4
Ecclesiastical Parish:St Mary's
Civil Parish:Caterham
Address:The Laurels, Chaldon Road, Caterham County:Surrey

Henry in 1891

BUGGS, Henry Head Married M 31 1860 Licensed Victualler Meopham Kent
BUGGS, Amy Wife Married F 24 1867 Houghton Hampshire
BUGGS, Henry J Son M 0 (4M) 1891 Meopham Kent
CHIPPERFIELD, Mary A Aunt Single F 55 1836 Gravesend Kent
BALE, Grace Sister In Law Single F 15 1876 Barmaid Sibsey Lincolnshire
LILLY, Mary Servant Single F 27 1864 Domestic Servant Maidstone Kent
EDWARDS, Thomas Servant Single M 28 1863 Potman Worfield Shropshire

RG number:RG12
Piece:650
Folio:104
Page:8
Registration District:Strood
Sub District:Northfleet
Enumeration District:11
Ecclesiastical Parish:Meopham
Civil Parish:Meopham
Address:Cricketers Inn, Kent Terrace, Meopham County:Kent

These seem to be their children which follow from the 1913 marriage posted

Henry E Buggs 1914 Jul-Aug-Sep Greater London, London

Arthur J Buggs 1915 Oct-Nov-Dec Greater London, London

Frederick R Buggs Oct Nov Dec 1916 Hammersmith Greater London

George R Buggs Apr May Jun 1918 Hammersmith Greater London

Amy G Buggs Apr May Jun 1919 Hammersmith Greater London

Evelyn R Buggs Jan Feb Mar 1921 Hammersmith Greater London

Ernest J Buggs Jan Feb Mar 1925 Hammersmith Greater London

Dorothy J Buggs Apr May Jun 1926 Hammersmith Greater London

Stanley L Buggs Jan Feb Mar 1929 Hammersmith Greater London

Hilda I Buggs Jul Aug Sep 1932 Hammersmith Greater London

Constance P Buggs Apr May Jun 1938 Hammersmith Greater London


thats 11 in all. dont usually post births after 1930 but this would leave the list incomplete

EDIT: also added on later reply
Stella E Buggs Jan Feb Mar 1931 Hammersmith Greater London - mnn is mispelt a Cooley

are you sure abour Stanley George being one of their children?

this one seems to fit the 1906 Woolwich birth, meaning he has different parents

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BUGGS, Stanley George
Address: 129 Conway Road Plumstead

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

BUGGS, Henry Head Married M 33 1878 Crane Driver Chatham Kent
BUGGS, Florence Edith Wife Married 10 years F 32 1879 Pimilco London
BUGGS, Frank Henry Son M 7 1904 Plumstead Kent
BUGGS, Stanley George Son M 4 1907 Plumstead Kent
BUGGS, Winifred Clarice Daughter F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Plumstead Kent
AMOR, Harry Boarder Single M 22 1889 Carmen Plumstead Kent

Doreen, I have found the same one as you in 1891 but I don't think she is your Susan. Her father is William but on the marriage record found by Tempest her father is George. I think that this is your Susan's birth reg - after the 1891 census was taken,

Births Dec 1891
Colley Susan Kensington 1a 122

This is her mother in 1891. I don't know why her husband never appears on a census though she always describes herself as married

COLLEY, Susan Head Married F 28 1863 Ironer Castle Cary Somersetshire

RG number:RG12
Piece:25
Folio:69
Page:33
Registration District:Kensington
Sub District:Kensington Town
Enumeration District:39
Ecclesiastical Parish:St Mark
Civil Parish:Kensington
Address:30, St Georges Road, Kensington County:London

I don't think Susan's mother ever married - here she is as a child in 1871 in Somerset. No wonder I couldn't find her marriage,

COLLEY, Thomas Head M 37 1834 Somerset
COLLEY, Emma Wife F 33 1838 Somerset
COLLEY, James Son M 14 1857 Somerset
COLLEY, Mary Daughter F 13 1858 Somerset
COLLEY, Susan Daughter F 10 1861 Somerset
COLLEY, Fanny Daughter F 9 1862 Somerset
COLLEY, Thomas Son M 7 1864 Somerset
COLLEY, Jane Daughter F 1 1870 Somerset

RG number:RG10
Piece:2422
Folio:65
Page:24

Registration District:Wincanton
Sub District:Castle Cary
Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:9D
Civil Parish:Castle Cary
Address:Cary, South, Castle Cary
County:Somersetshire

Hi everyone,
Shirley you are right on my father's brothers and sisters - there were a set of twins who died young and possibly others as I think there wer 13/14 in all. I can't believe you all get info so quickly, is there a quick way around this site that I don't know about. Have to leave now but will digest all your comments and get back to you all a.s.a.p. What does Nurse Child mean?
What I remember of my paternal grandparents doesn't seem to amount to much but they did live at 63/65 Scrubbs Lane, Willesden NW10 (almost opposite the prison!!!)
Thank you so very much!
Best regards
Doreen

just googled it, it seems that a nurse child was a foster child

to quote what I found

"I'm sure there will be others who are able to give a more precise meaning but my understanding of the definition of 'Nurse child' is a child taken into the home of someone who cares for him/her as a result of circumstances that require the child's care away from his/her home.

I do not think that there would necessarily have been payment for the care of the child - the arrangement may well have been an 'informal' one."

Doreen, Births after 1911 have the mmn in the GRO ref so it's easy to search for them using the surname combination and the area. Its surprising though how many will come up with the surname combination but will be be different families. The area of birth is the clue but if all fails then buying the cert may be the only way.
On Ancestry there are London and Middlesex baptisms which are a help too.
The best Free site for BMDS from 1837 is FreeBMD

three child deaths

birth
Name: Stella E Buggs
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cooley
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1931
Registration district: Hammersmith
Registration County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 232
note mmn is mispelt as Cooley!!

died
Name: Stella E Buggs
Death Registration Month/Year: 1932 Dec qtr
Age at death (estimated): 2
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 277
so that makes no 12!

and
Name: Stanley L Buggs
Death Registration Month/Year: 1931 Mar qtr
Age at death (estimated): 2
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 365


Frederick R Buggs
Death Registration Month/Year: 1933 Mar qtr
Age at death (estimated): 16
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 341

posting just cos it came up too

Name: Henry J Buggs
Death Registration Month/Year: 1953 -Mar qtr
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1130
so born c 1891

If you think there were twins it's possible they were stillborn and therefore not listed on the birth index.

There's a 4 year gap between Evelyn and Ernest and a shorter gap between Stanley and Dorothy.

Rose

Hi everyone,
Tempest you gave precise details of the marriage between Henry James Buggs and Susan Colley which seem right to me now as I wasn't sure of the info I had given previously. Please tell me how you got the details because when I go into marriages all I get is one line of what was entered on the original record, i.e. Henry James Buggs m Colley.
Thanks
Doreen

Hi Doreen,

I found the record on Ancestry in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 section which is in association with the London Metropolitan Archives.

Their Marriage cert is available to view online at ancestry

Henry was an art metal worker living at 5 Letchford Gardens, his father was also called Henry and was deceased and had been a liscensed vitualler

Susan was a machinist at the time of marriage and gave the same address as Henry, her father was listed as George Colley, a cabinet maker

witnesses were William Brown and Rosina A Brown