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Hi all,

I've been trying to track down the wife of William Bayliffe (aka Bayliff, Bailiffe, Bailiff), and have run out of options.

William appeared on the 1841 census at Couplands Yard, Cartmel, Ulverston Union, as Bailiff, with his wife Mary and children William (8), Thomas (5), James (2) and Ann (6 mths).

Mary was a widow on the 1851 census with 3 more children, Agnes (7), Margaret (3) and Betsey (9 mths).

I've tracked Mary through the subsequent census returns up to her death in 1880, but can't find a marriage for her and William so can't get to her maiden name.

On the various census returns she was recorded as born Newland, Ulverston and Mansriggs (all 3 in the same area of Lancashire).

So if anyone can help with her origins I would be very grateful.

Many thanks
Mac

Wouldn't a child's birth cert give her maiden name ?

connected? 1881

James HENDERSON Head M Male 41 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Laborer Agricultural
Agnes HENDERSON Wife M Female 37 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Laborer Wife
John BAYLIFF Stepson U Male 17 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Laborer Agricultural
Thomas BAYLIFF Stepson Male 12 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Scholar
Richard BAYLIFF Stepson Male 8 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Scholar
William BAYLIFF Stepson Male 6 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Scholar
James HENDERSON Son Male 1 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Census Place Upper Allithwaite & E Broughton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342021
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4275 / 119
Page Number 7

1881

John B. CROSTHWAITE Head M Male 41 Kendal, Westmorland, England Laborer General
Jane CROSTHWAITE Wife M Female 30 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Laborer Wife
William BAYLIFF Nephew U Male 18 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Laborer


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Source Information:
Census Place Upper Allithwaite & E Broughton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342021
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4275 / 119
Page Number 8

1881

James BAYLIFF M Male 45 Cartmel, Lancashire, England Miner (Iron)
Jane BAYLIFF M Female 45 Aldingham, Lancashire, England
William BAYLIFF U Male 19 Baycliff, Lancashire, England Miner (Iron
Samuel BAYLIFF Male 12 Baycliff, Lancashire, England Scholar
John J. BAYLIFF Male 7 Baycliff, Lancashire, England Scholar
Henry BAYLIFF Male 2 Baycliff, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Baycliff Village
Census Place Aldingham, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342022
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4280 / 4
Page Number 2

This must be the 1851, for reference:

BAYLIFF, Mary Head Widow F 42 1809 Charwoman Kilverstone Lancashire
BAYLIFF, William Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Ag Labourer Lindal Lancashire
BAYLIFF, Thomas Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Ag Labourer Lindal Lancashire
BAYLIFF, James Son M 12 1839
Lindal Lancashire
BAYLIFF, Ann Daughter F 10 1841
Lindal Lancashire
BAYLIFF, Agnes Daughter F 7 1844 Lindal Lancashire
BAYLIFF, Margaret Daughter F 3 1848 Lindal Lancashire
BAYLIFF, Betsy Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851 Lindal Lancashire
ROBINSON, Betsy Lodger F 10 1841 Lindal Lancashire
ROBINSON, William Lodger Widower M 80 1771 Pauper Mason Kendal Westmorland

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2274 Folio:
10 Page:
12

Registration District:
Ulverstone Sub District:
Cartmel District Enumeration District:
1A Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Allithwaite Upper Municipal Borough:
Address:
Lindale, Allithwaite Upper County:
Lancashire

1881

James BAYLIFFE Head M Male 41 Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland, England Carpenter
Mary Ann BAYLIFFE Wife M Female 29 Cartmel, Lancashire, England
Ellen Elizabeth BAYLIFFE Dau Female 6 Sedbergh, York, England Scholar
Mary Annie BAYLIFFE Dau Female 3 Sedbergh, York, England
Alicia Catherine BAYLIFFE Dau Female 11 m Sedbergh, York, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Smithy
Census Place Sedbergh, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342025
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4294 / 62
Page Number 4

This birth certificate should give you maiden name:

Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
BAYLIFFE Agnes Ulverstoke 25 198

Ann, you've got the right family in 1881, Agnes is Williams daughter (my gg grandmother), married to James Henderson. And Anne Marie has the right family in 1851.

Does the child's birth certificate give a mothers maiden name? I thought it only recorded the father?
Thanks
Mac

Somewhere, from someones family tree, Mary may be called Butterfield, but I can't support this from any evidence. Mary Butterfield was christened St Marys, Ulverston 19/5/1808.

Can anyone find the connection to William Bailiff please?
Julie

mac


birth certificates give the mother's maiden name


that's how we prove who is the mother of a child


A certificate costs £9.25 from GRO ..... and is the only sure way to prove mmn




sylvia

Have you seen these on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks site

www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Baptisms: 22 Nov 1835 Priory Church of St Mary and St Michael, Cartmel, Lancashire, England
Thomas Bailiff - Son of Willm Bailiff & Mary
Abode: Lindal
Occupation: Labr.
Baptised by: J Statter
Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1851 from the Bishp's Transcripts, Page 58, Entry 457
Source: LDS Film 1040300


Baptisms: 5 Jan 1841 Priory Church of St Mary and St Michael, Cartmel, Lancashire, England
Ann Bayliffe - Daughter of William Bayliffe & Mary
Abode: Lindale
Occupation: Labr.
Baptised by: H Thompson
Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1851 from the Bishp's Transcripts, Page 140, Entry 1113
Source: LDS Film 1040300




sylvia

I'll order the birth certificate for Agnes, can't believe I overlooked the obvious solution, must be my age. I've been totally bogged down in parish registers and never even thought of it.

Many thanks