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I have looked on cenus's 1891, 1901 and 1911 but as he isn't using his middle name, I cannot pin down a Joseph Norman on any of them and too many of the other 'Josephs' 'could' be him!
We will have to wait for Herbert's birth cert which will hopefully give Joseph's occupation to help us.
Dea x
P.S. - How do you know that Herbert had the middle name of 'Walters'??
Dea x
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Did your Herbert have an older sister called Charlotte?
I have found this birth:
Births Mar 1908 Brown Charlotte Walters Sculcoates 9d 133
Unfortunately, she is not with parents on 1911:
COWARD, Mary Ellen Wife Married 13 years F 41 1870 Teignmouth Devon BROWN, Charlotte Walters Great Aunt F 3 1908 Hull Yorkshire
RG14PN28679 RG78PN1648 RD521 SD6 ED22 SN31 Registration District: Sculcoates Sub District: Drypool Enumeration District: 22 Parish: Sculcoates Address: 17 East St Hull County: Yorkshire (East riding)
I 'suspect' that Mary Ellen is the 'Great Aunt', NOT Charlotte?
I am sure there must be a connection somewhere but I haven't found it yet ?
Dea x
P.S. - Have you sent for that birth cert?
Dea x
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Steven,
Should the Joseph N Brown that Dea found in the 1911 census prove to be your man then here he is with his family in 1891 and 1901. It is an important lesson in not taking things at face value. Note the differences in the parents birthplaces between the various census returns.
1901:
Name: Joseph H Brown Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph W Brown Mother's name: Louisa E Brown Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Myton ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 134 Household Members: Name Age Joseph W Brown 42 born Bermuda occ Waiter Louisa E Brown 38 born Enstone, London Joseph H Brown 12 Louisa N Brown 10 Herbert W Brown 5 Arthur G Brown 4 Herbert O Lawson 23
And in 1891: Name: Joseph N Brown Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph W Brown Mother's name: Louisa E Brown Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Holy Trinity Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephan Town: Kingston Upon Hull County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Myton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph W Brown 31 born Burneston, Yorkshire occ Hotel waiter Louisa E Brown 27 born St Pancras, London Joseph N Brown 2 Louisa N Brown 11/12
This looks a possible for Joseph's parents marriage:
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%) BROWN Joseph William Pancras 1b 142 East Louisa Ellen Pancras 1b 142
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