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only other marriage in Cheshire
Name: Samuel Hall
Spouse Lilian Ellison
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1964
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration county (inferred): Cheshire
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1002

Here's something interesting:-

1881 shows that the father of Samuel (1865) is Edwin. Keeping in mind the name Sullivan from the Baptism of Samuel (1889) I'm wondering if this could be a marriage for Samuel Jnr.

Name: Samuel Hall
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Occupation: Traveller
Address: 27 Waterfront Road
Spouse Name: Norah Sullivan
Spouse Age: 27
Fathers Name: James Sullivan
Occupation: Builder
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1894
Parish: St James, Fulham
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Edwin Hall
Occupation: Brass Finisher

Father's name and occupation fits with census.
Also Samuel's occupation fits with 1901 census.
Parish of Fulham also fits.

Could also be just a big coincidence.

Alma,
If you take another look at the baptism for Samuel John Hall, it is noted that his mother was:-
Mother's name: Hannah Sulivan Hall
....could very well be that her maiden name was Sulivan/Sullivan.

1891 wife is noted as Annie born Pimlico, and
1901 wife is noted as Annie Hall born: Ireland

Hannah and Annie could of course be the same person but to be absolutely sure who is the mother of Samuel, as Mike has already said, you would have to buy his birth cert. and you would also have to buy the cert. for his brother Edward to see if they have the same mother.

Annie's maiden name would be on any of her children's birth certificates.

Use freebmd to look them up.
LINK :
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

I made a separate thread for the Father & Mother
Samuel Hall 1865 Pimlico & Annie ? from Ireland
how do you get details from Ireland & how do I cancel 2nd thread
Alma

Hi Jan
do not think Martha a possibility as I visited Samuel Hall in 1960's and he was living alone I left England but we corresponded jusy by Xmas cards for a few years then they stopped I wrote to the next door address they passed my letter on to a person who said he had married again and that he had died a couple of years later
Alma

? Martha's death index
Name: Martha Evelyn Hall
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1895
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0731



so her maiden name was poss. Newton
Name: Martha Evelyn Newton
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Wirral (1837-1974)
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 450


her 1st marriage
Name: Martha E Newton
Spouse Surname: Evans
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration district: Wirral
Registration county (inferred): Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 755

Maude;s death

Name: Maude C Hall
Death Registration Month/Year: 1946
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 79

Had a message from Alma so pm'd these details
possible the only 2 in the area between 1911-1970 with that name but to confirm you would need marriage cert to get more details. I see you have been given the info where you can order them from.
Name: Samuel J Hall
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse Cumes Maude C
District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 8a
Page: 1063
This lady is registered under 2 names so possibly a widow or div.
Name: Samuel J Hall
Spouse Martha E Evans/Martha E Newton
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1951
Registration district: Birkenhead
Registration county (inferred): Cheshire
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 182

I am with Genes reunited it does not have that info
Cheers
Alma

It all depends what site you are using Alma

Those baptisms come from Ancestry which cover a lot of London Baptisms and Marriages up until the early part of the 20th centary

jax

Thanks to all who sent me replies it has been quite helpful to me
I am surprised at the info regarding actual dates of birth & babtism
I can only find dates to the nearest quarter
Many many thanks
Alms

A possible for his death?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Samuel John Hall
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1889
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 10a
Page: 167

Could be worth getting the death certificate to see who registered his death.

Doesn't matter if you're not in England - you can order any certificate online from GRO - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

The cost of £9.25 includes postage anywhere.

this looks to be the birth of sister Cecilia:-

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
Hall Cecilia Maud S A St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 406

and brother Edwin:-
Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
Hall Edwin Henry F St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 341

and brother George?
Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
HALL George Thomas St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 303

Father Samuel

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Household: 1881

Edwin HALL Head M Male 48 Sussex, England Ironmoulder
Sarah HALL Wife M Female 42 Stafford, England
William HALL Son U Male 17 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Clerk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Samuel HALL Son U Male 15 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Clerk
Edwin HALL Son U Male 8 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Scholar
Celeilia HALL Dau Female 2 Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Ann FISHER Mother W Female 70 Stafford, England
Wilhelmina FAWKES Other U Female 61 London, London, Middlesex, England Lady Superintendant Of Mission (HS)
Mary J. SMITH Other U Female 45 London, London, Middlesex, England Assistant

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Dwelling 94 Gloucester St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England

Possible 1911?:-
Haven't listed the family he was boarding with.

HALL, Samuel Boarder Single M 22 1889 Milkman Carrier Chelsea
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
349 Reference:
RG14PN349 RG78PN11 RD3 SD5 ED12 SN129

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
South Fulham Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Fulham

Address:
14 Munster Road Fulham SW County:
London

1901 shows brother Edward, so looking good:-

Name: Samuel J Hall
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's name: Samuel Hall
Mother's name: Annie Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 125 Sherbrooke Road

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hall 34 born: Pimlico, London (Traveller Tea)
Annie Hall 32 born: Ireland ?
Samuel J Hall 12
Edward H Hall 8 born: Fulham, London
Cecelia M Hall 23 - Sister born: Pimlico, London

birth for Edward:-
Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Hall Edward Henry Fulham 1a 296

Name: Edward Henry Hall
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 26 Dec 1892
Baptism Date: 3 Feb 1893
Father's name: Samuel Hall
Mother's name: Annie Hall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Fulham St Peter
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham

In case it is the correct one, this would be the family in 1891:-

Name: Samuel J M Hals
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's name: Samuel Hals
Mother's name: Annie Hals
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hals 25 born: Primlico, London
Annie Hals 24 born: Primlico, London
Samuel J M Hals 2
Edwin H Hals 19 - Brother born: Primlico, London
George Hals 21 - Brother born: Chelsea, London

...............father Samuel is born Pimlico, so maybe.

More info about the above birth:-

Name: Samuel John Mcqueen Hall
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1889
Father's name: Samuel Hall
Mother's name: Hannah Sulivan Hall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Worlds End St John
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Address (looks like):- 13 Mark Street

I presume by Pimblico, you really mean Pimlico, which is London.
The only birth for a Samuel J Hall in London at this time is this one:-

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Hall Samuel John McG Chelsea 1a 347

.........could this be the one?