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1841 census 26 Farm house Great Elm
William Coombes 30 Cooalcarrier all born somerset
Janes Coombes 25
elizabeth Coombes 15
Jane Meese 70

Elm Hill
James Lavender 42 ironworker all born Somerset
Jane laender 39
james Lavender 15
John lavender 10


1846 13.04 James Lavender and Elizabeth Coombes were married Elm Frome. Have certificate with fathers names and ages etc .

Children from the marriage
Edward James born Frome Somerset march 1847

next child found
Lydia born 1864 - have certificate - born 14.11.1864
residence at 25 South St Lambeth

James was a blacksmith

1881 census for 25 South st
Dennis (?) LAvender 56 born somerset
Elizabeth Lavender 54 born Somerset
Andrew Lavender 26 born Lambert
Lydia Lavender 16 Lambert
Elizabeth Lavender 14 Lambert

Lydia married 04.08.1883 William Murray and left one month later for Australia

Is there anyone who could please look up the family 1851, 1861 and 1871 census

because jane Meese aged 70 was with the william and jane i have tentatively placed jane as a Meese before she was married?of course I could well be wrong

1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAVENDER, Andrew
Address: South Street, Lambeth
LAVENDER, James Head M 44 1827 Somerset VIEW
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Wife F 44 1827 Somerset VIEW
LAVENDER, Joseph Son M 18 1853 Somerset VIEW
LAVENDER, Andrew Son M 16 1855 Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, James Son M 14 1857 Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, William Son M 12 1859 Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, Jane Daughter F 8 1863 Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, Lydia Daughter F 6 1865 Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1868 Surrey

William Coombs

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1811 — Great Elm, Somerset, England
residence: Elm, Somerset, England
spouse: Jane Coombs

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William Coombs
age: 70
gender: Male
birth year: 1811
birthplace: Great Elm, Somerset, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: General Labourer
census place: Elm, Somerset, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341578
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2404 / 85
page number: 4

1861 census - household transcription
Person: LAVENDER, Andrew
Address: 25, South Street, Lambeth
LAVENDER, James Head Married M 35 1826 Journeyman Iron Forge
Great Elm
Somersetshire VIEW
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1826
Great Elm
Somersetshire VIEW
LAVENDER, Alfred Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Errand Boy
Great Elm
Somersetshire VIEW
LAVENDER, Lucy Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Great Elm
Somersetshire VIEW
LAVENDER, Joseph Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Great Elm
Somersetshire VIEW
LAVENDER, Andrew Son M 6 1855 Scholar
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, James Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW
LAVENDER, William Son M 1 (16M) 1860
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW
DADEMEAD, George Lodger Unmarried M 27 1834 Hammerman
Wells
Somersetshire

James Lavender

England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Great Elm, Somersetshire
residence: England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1891
name: James Lavender
age: 66
gender: Male
birthplace: Great Elm, Somersetshire
record type: Census

1851 census - household transcription
Person: LAVENDER, James
Address: Elm Village, Elm
COOMBS, John Head Married M 34 1817 Labourer
Elm
Somerset VIEW
COOMBS, Jane Wife Married F 34 1817 Labourer Wife
West Woodlands
Somerset VIEW
COOMBS, William Son M 10 1841 Labourer Son
Elm
Somerset VIEW
COOMBS, George Son M 7 1844 Labourer Son
Elm
Somerset VIEW
COOMBS, Rosea Daughter F 2 1849
Elm
Somerset VIEW
LAVENDER, James Relative Married M 25 1826 Labourer
Elm
Somerset VIEW
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Married F 25 1826
Elm
Somerset VIEW
LAVENDER, Louisa F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Elm
Somerset

thanks so much awesome work - can pinpoint the move to 1854 and a lot more children than I had - i only found 4 -

JAMES LAVENDER Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 NOV 1826 Zion Independent, Frome, Somerset, England
Parents:
Father: JAMES LAVENDER Family
Mother: JANE EDDINGTON

Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church.
this is a submitted record so treat with caution

Batch Number: 5001017
Sheet: 43
Source Call No.: 1396457

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Lavender Name: James Lavender
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 65
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Jane Mees Name: Jane Mees
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Frome
County: Somerset
Volume: 10
Page: 339 (click to see others on page)

thanks Lady kirra did wonder about generations before - willsend for death certificate - i keep using my credits and getting unreadable scripts - so am very tentative in trying again so big thank you

probably related

1851 census - household transcription
Person: MEES, Hester
Address: Eggford Bridges, Frome
MEES, James Head Married M 24 1827 Edge Tool Worker
Great Elm
Somerset VIEW
MEES, Hester Wife Married F 23 1828
Great Elm
Somerset VIEW
MEES, Rosa Daughter F 1 1850
Frome
Somerset

Mary Ann you are supposed to have only one thread for connected families.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/murray/thread/1258951

I am not sure that a death certificate will tellyou what you want to know.

i am not sure about the eddington marriage

there are a small number of coombes/lavender/mees families in the village 1841 & 51

what you need is is marriages and parish registers
and some time to work out who is who.

ok looking at the other thread that is mainly about the murray side. please post a note that you have research on this thread re the lavender side so as not to duplicate work

i amm spending time on this now and will come back later

part 1

parents of James ?
JAMES LAVENDER Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 NOV 1826 Zion Independent, Frome, Somerset, England
Parents:
Father: JAMES LAVENDER Family
Mother: JANE EDDINGTON
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church.
this is a submitted record so treat with caution
Batch Number: 5001017
Sheet: 43
Source Call No.: 1396457

Jane Mees Pedigree
Female
Birth: 12 NOV 1816
Christening: 30 JAN 1817 Holy Trinity, Frome, Somerset, England
Parents:
Father: Richard Mees Family
Mother: Jane
Extracted
C000809

other children of richard and jane are

Richard Mees - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JAN 1815 Holy Trinity, Frome, Somerset, England
possible
1851 Address: Bath Street, Frome
MEES, Richard Head Married M 36 1815 Silk & Woollen Draper Frome Somerset
MEES, Ann Wife Married F 36 1815 Bratton Wiltshire
MEES, Ann G Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Frome Somerset
MEES, Mary J Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar Frome Somerset
MEES, Margretta Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar Frome Somerset
MEES, Lucy P Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar Frome Somerset
HARRIS, Mary Servant Unmarried F 22 1829 General ServWestbury Wiltshire


William Baily Mees - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JAN 1815 Holy Trinity, Frome, Somerset, England
1851 Address: Crown Hotel, Market, Frome
MEES, William B Head Widower M 36 1815 Hotel Keeper Frome Somerset
MEES, Emma Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Frome Somerset
MEES, Mary Anne Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar Frome Somerset
EVANS, Edwin Lodger Unmarried M 32 1819 Traveller In Hannels Crofter Cumberland
BOARD, Ferdmand Lodger Unmarried M 31 1820 Traveller In Drapery Trade Paulett Somerset
MEES, Henry G Lodger Unmarried M 31 1820 Retired Linen Draper Frome Somerset brother
EVANS, Mary Servant Unmarried F 46 1805 Waitress Laycock
HAYWARD, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 35 1816 Cook Westbury Wiltshire
BRYANT, Jemima Servant Unmarried F 26 1825 Nurse Bridgewater Somerset
WATTS, Emily Servant Unmarried F 22 1829 Chamber Maid
Steeple Ashton Wiltshire
WHITE, James Servant Unmarried M 20 1831 Ostler Frome Somerset


Henry George Mees - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JAN 1821 Holy Trinity, Frome, Somerset, England


1841 census Address: Elm Mills, Great Elm
LAVENDER, James M 42 1799 Somerset
LAVENDER, Jane F 39 1802 Somerset
LAVENDER, James M 15 1826 Somerset
LAVENDER, John M 11 1830 Somerset

1841 census - household transcription
Person: COOMBS, Elizabeth
Address: In Parish, Great Elm
COOMBS, William M 30 1811 Somerset
COOMBS, Jane F 25 1816 Somerset
MEES, Jane F 78 1763 Somerset
COOMBS, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Somerset


1846 13.04 James Lavender and Elizabeth Coombes were married Elm Frome. Have certificate with fathers names and ages etc

part 2
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Jane Mees Name: Jane Mees
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Frome
County: Somerset
Volume: 10
Page: 339

1851 Address: Elm Village, Elm
COOMBS, John Head Married M 34 1817 Labourer Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Jane Wife Married F 34 1817 Labourer Wife West Woodlands Somerset
COOMBS, William Son M 10 1841 Labourer Son Elm Somerset
COOMBS, George Son M 7 1844 Labourer Son Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Rosea Daughter F 2 1849 Elm Somerset
LAVENDER, James Relative Married M 25 1826 Labourer Elm Somerset
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Married F 25 1826 Elm Somerset
LAVENDER, Louisa F 0 (9 MOS) 1851 Elm Somerset

1851 Address: Eggford Bridges, Frome
MEES, James Head Married M 24 1827 Edge Tool Worker Great Elm Somerset
MEES, Hester Wife Married F 23 1828 Great Elm Somerset
MEES, Rosa Daughter F 1 1850 Frome Somerset


1861 Address: Great Elm, Great Elm
COOMBS, William Head Married M 48 1813 Coal Haulier Great Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Jane Wife Married F 43 1818
Great Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Henry Son M 12 1849 Iron Worker Great Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Frank Son M 9 1852 Scholar Great Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Robert Son M 7 1854 Scholar Great Elm Somerset

1861 Address: 25, South Street, Lambeth
LAVENDER, James Head Married M 35 1826 Journeyman Iron Forge Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1826 Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Alfred Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Errand Boy Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Lucy Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Joseph Son M 8 1853 Scholar Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Andrew Son M 6 1855 Scholar Lambeth Surrey
LAVENDER, James Son M 4 1857 Scholar Lambeth Surrey
LAVENDER, William Son M 1 (16M) 1860 Lambeth Surrey
DADEMEAD, George Lodger Unmarried M 27 1834 Hammerman Wells Somersetshire


1871 census - household transcription
Person: COOMBS, Jane
Address: Grocer Shop, Great Elm
COOMBS, William Head M 59 1812 Somerset coal haulier
COOMBS, Jane Wife F 53 1818 Somerset

1871 Address: South Street, Lambeth
LAVENDER, James Head M 44 1827 Somerset
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Wife F 44 1827 Somerset
LAVENDER, Joseph Son M 18 1853 Somerset
LAVENDER, Andrew Son M 16 1855 Surrey
LAVENDER, James Son M 14 1857 Surrey
LAVENDER, William Son M 12 1859 Surrey
LAVENDER, Jane Daughter F 8 1863 Surrey
LAVENDER, Lydia Daughter F 6 1865 Surrey
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1868 Surrey


1881 Address: ?, Elm
COOMBS, William Head Married M 70 1811 General Labourer Great Elm Somerset
COOMBS, Jane Wife Married F 63 1818 Great Elm Somerset

1881 Address: 25, South Street, Lambeth
LAVENDER, Dennis Head Married M 56 1825 Smith (Blk) Somerset
LAVENDER, Elizath Wife Married F 54 1827 Somerset
LAVENDER, Andrew Son Single M 26 1855 Smith (Blk) Lambeth Surrey
LAVENDER, Lydia Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Lambeth Surrey
LAVENDER, Elizath Daughter Single F 14 1867 Domestic Serv Lambeth Surrey

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Murray Name: William Murray
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Spouse Name: Lydia Lavender
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Aug 1883
Parish: St Nicholas, Deptford
County: Kent
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: James Murray Brass Moulder
Spouse Father Name: James Lavender Engineer
William's address 10, Sarah Place, Cuck Rd and he is a Seaman
Lydia's address The Lane/ Lame

1891 Address: 17, Berkley Street, Lambeth
LAVENDER, James Married M 66 1825 Living On Own Means Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Elizabeth Married F 66 1825 Great Elm Somersetshire
LAVENDER, Kate F 8 1883 Scholar Lambeth London (grandaughter)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Lavender Name: James Lavender
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 65
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d


on curious fox minimal joining fee
Coombes Meese Lavender Bull Edington - Lambeth (Sep 10)
John Coombes and Elizabeth Meese were married 1811 Elm parish church Frome they had a daughter Elizabeth who married James Lavender 1846 Elm James was the son of James lavender and jane eddington other names in family include Bull, Smith, James and Elizabeth (Coombes) Lavender moved to South St Lambeth in time for 1871 census

for info on
LAVENDER Lucy Louisa LAVENDER 1850 Great Elm, Frome, Somerset b
http://cashewnut.me.uk/Genealogy/CashNames.php

awesome - this is going to take a while to sort out who is who so thank you so much for the info -

I didnt have the right family for elizabeth Coombes on the 1841 census unless she was living with uncle - her mariage certicficate says father John Coombes not William so it may be the Elizabeth Meese with children and John may have been absent or died by then......will still keep sorting thanks