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Hi I am trying to find the death of Daniel Shiels. He was born Ireland, around the Ballymena area c 1860, and married Margaret Dugan. Margaret appears on the 1901 census as the Head of the House with six children. Family lore says he was dead by then too. Daniel and Margaret's youngest son John was 7 years old in the 1901 Census so that means Daniel must have been alive (we hope!) around 1894. So the period we are looking for is between 1894 and the census in 1901. Any help or advice on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated. He was Church of Ireland.
Thanks.
Janet

The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

If you look here, hopefully you will find the registration:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
An index of Ireland civil registration including births, 1864-1958, marriages, 1845-1958, and deaths, 1864-1958.

Margaret where have you located Margaret and family 1901...I dont see them on Ireland Census...?

Thank You for that note Robert..

And then there's

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/shields/thread/1052986

from 2008.

Please consider the rule that there should be no more than one thread about the same person/family.

sorry if I have broken protocol here, I am specifically looking for a death in Ireland, and I am unsure what directly that would have to do with everyone relooking at Margaret on the 1901 census. If I summarize what I know -ie - she is listed as head of house and there is no husband, and the family says he was dead, what does that have to do with finding his death certificate? I am not looking for the broad picture of his life, I have some of that, I am looking for a specific vital record that I do not know how to locate. I have been on the pilot site at family search as was unable to pull up anything from there.

Should I have put this posting under tips board and not used a specific name? But then, the first thing people answering do is to ask for specific names. I am very frustrated here - I want to do the right thing, but it seems hard to figure out what is expected.

Absolutely the opposite. You see in your Tips thread about daughter Frances that hypothetical questions lead nowhere except to requests for specifics.

As I noted in another of the threads:

"Please don’t post about the same person or family twice as this can make extra work for the volunteer helpers."

Keep in mind that some records will not be found in databases on line, no matter how many times and how many ways one might ask others to look for them.

"Margaret appears on the 1901 census as the Head of the House with six children. ... Daniel and Margaret's youngest son John was 7 years old in the 1901 Census"


Janet didn't answer, so I went to page 34 of all the Johns aged 7 +/- 5 yrs in the 1901 Irish census (the name in the original thread was SHIELS, now SHIELDS, spelled SHEILDS in the census transcription and SHEILS on the original of the household form):

Sheilds Margaret 42 Female Head of Family Church of Ireland -- widow on original form
Sheilds Ellen 21 Female Daughter
Sheilds Mary Jane 17 Female Daughter
Sheilds Fanny 14 Female Daughter
Sheilds Maggie 12 Female Daughter
Sheilds James 10 Male Son
Sheilds John 7 Male Son


The 1911 census for widowed Margaret etc. is given in the Tips board thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/tips_board/thread/1257182

The family was in Scotland in 1881 -- from the previous TTF thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/shields/thread/1052986

but children born after that census were born in Ireland.


"I am unsure what directly that would have to do with everyone relooking at Margaret on the 1901 census"

Because you are asking people to help you, and people don't really want to start out with LESS information than you have when trying to find MORE information.

In particular, the multiple spellings of the surname is really very relevant information, and you didn't bother to mention those spellings.

You are so right Janey, I got so used to Shiels, Shields, -some times in the same document that I totally overlooked that it is a variant! When I was at the tips board asking about Frances all I was asking was if it was necessary to have a passport when emigrating from Ireland in the 1920's. I did not expect people to ask specifics - and I went out of my way to say that I had another thread with specifics on it on the Find thread. But that aside, I would like to find Daniel Shiels, (Shields). Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Also with variants Duggan/Dugan/Dugans/Dougan are all variants that a single member of the family might use as well!

Janet...I posted this earlier must be in Hyperspace...
Have you not considered this one..

Name: Daniel Shields
Registration District: Belfast
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1894
Estimated Birth Year: 1866
Age (at Death): 28
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101598
Volume Number: 1
Page Number: 306
Digital Folder Number: 4200680
Image Number: 00138
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Might have been in one of the other threads. ;)

That date of birth would have to be way out --

Ellen Shields
Birth: 10 SEP 1878 Ahoghill, Antrim, Ireland
Father: Daniel Shields
Mother: Margaret Duggan Shields
Source Information:
Batch No.: C007458

1881 census in Stirlingshire:
Daniel Shields 24
Ellen Shields 2
Margaret Shields 23

The couple married in 1877.

But it could be worth investigating in case of transcription error there or mistake by the informant -- info on the certificate might tell!

Thanks Janey.
So, if the transcript error was that Daniel was aged 38 instead of 28 that would put him born around 1856 which would work with being 21 when he was married; 22 when Ellen was born and also with the 24 years old at the 1881 Census.
Now, is the best course of action to apply for this death certificate and see if it was transcribed incorrectly or have a gone off on a crazy tangent from what you were thinking!???
I can totally see that the other info on Daniel is very necessary if there is a transcript error - I'm a one-threat gal from now on! :)

Janet ...Will have to come back on this one as I have lost the "Thread" completely...

The certificate is the only thing that would tell, although it wouldn't necessarily tell. If it did say dob 1866 (or by age), you'd have to hope for some other clue to the identity of the deceased Daniel. There's only one way to find out ...

Wouldn't it be nice if some newbie read your thread(s) and was convinced of the merits of the one-thread rule now?

Naaah ... that doesn't happen ... ;)

One can only hope Janey! I will get this death certificate - I was very lucky with Fanny's, so maybe the Gene Gods will smile on me again, and this will be him.
One more thought, I am totally ignorant about Irish papers on line, but do they have digitalized papers from that period? If so, it might be possible to find an obit, or a description of how he died - could have been gruesome enough to make the papers - ;) (have a relative who died of a ripped open scrotum - it did make the papers...)
I'll let you know.
thanks

You can try here
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/

and google old Irish newspapers.

You might wish to post here - http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/

thanks Joy, I will