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Sarah Anne
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26 Mar 2010 10:29 |
Henry was born in 1833 and Mary about 1842 in London. Mary married John Francis Ross, who was in the Royal Navy and based in Australia and had a son Henry Ross. Henry was an Australian Merchant based in London and had a family but I cannot find details of his earlier life before 1861 census. He might have gone to Australia at one point. Their parents lived in London at one point but they also could have come from Australia. Henry and Mary might have had siblings but I do not know.
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 10:32 |
Mary's marriage cert. will give you her fathers name and profession which will help find them on census records. Any idea of their parents names and where they were born? Who did Henry marry? Please give all the details you have!
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Sarah Anne
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26 Mar 2010 13:25 |
No idea of parents names or where they came from but yes I do know who Henry married but not sure where. He married Helen Stack or Bramhill, first child born about 1865. She was Irish but worked for his family so suspect it would have been in London area.
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 13:33 |
If you're not sure of his wifes name, the birth cert. of their children will give you her maiden name.
A marriage search for Henry Grant to Helen ? between 1853 and 1870 only show one:-
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%) BRENCHLEY Emma Kensington 1a 190 GODSELL Helen Kensington 1a 190 GRANT Henry Kensington 1a 190 SMITH Harry Kensington 1a 190
where did you get the names Stack and Bramhill from?
You need to buy their marriage cert. to find out his father's name and occupation. It will also give you his address which may help find him on the census records.
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 13:40 |
OK found him! 1901 Name: Henry Grant Age: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Helen Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 8 Chichester Road
Occupation: Australian Merchant
Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 126 Household Members: Name Age Henry Grant 68 Helen Grant 57 born: Ireland Amelia E Grant 33 born: London, Middlesex Beatrice N Grant 31 Frederick D P Grant 28 Louisa M Grant 26 Helen A Grant 19 born: Croydon, Surrey Annie Eady 27 born: Croydon, Surrey Monnie Worsell 41 Alice Newman 23 Alise Heard 76
1891 Name: Henry Grant Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Helen Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Grant 58 Helen Grant 48 Henry W T Grant 20 Frederick D P Grant 18 Louisa M Grant 17 Albert D Grant 9 Helen A Grant 7 Alice Clark 23 Rose Elsey 21 1881 Name: Henry Grant Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Helen Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: Chichester Rd Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Australian Mercht Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 26a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Grant 48 Helen Grant 39 Amelia E. Grant 13 Beatce. M. Grant 12 Henry W. Grant 10 Fredk.D. Grant 8 Louisa M. Grant 7 Ellen Bramhill 18 Selina Childs 23 Charltte. Huntley 18 Eliza Field 19
1871 Name: Henry Grant Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hellen Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 188 Household Members: Name Age Henry Grant 38 Hellen Grant 28 Amelia E Grant 4 Beatrice M Grant 2 Henry W T Grant 5 months Nellie Brambila 8 Emily Wells 32 Sussand Snelling 26
To confirm maiden name you need to buy the birth cert. of one of the children! Births Mar 1869 (>99%) GRANT Beatrice Maud Croydon 2a 221
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Astra
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26 Mar 2010 13:40 |
1871 for info
Hellen Grant Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Henry Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 188 Household Members: Name Age Henry Grant 38>>>>>Australian Merchant born St. Pancras? Hellen Grant 28 Amelia E Grant 4 Beatrice M Grant 2 Henry W T Grant 5 months Nellie Brambila 8 Emily Wells 32 Sussand Snelling 26
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 13:54 |
The only birth I can find for Amelia E. Grant is this one:-
Births Jun 1868 (>99%) GRANT Amelia Ellen Pembroke 11a 821
but that's Wales?
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 13:58 |
1911 GRANT, Henry Head Married M 78 1833 Australian Merchant Export And Import Middlesex London VIEW GRANT, Helen Wife Married 44 years F 66 1845 County of Limerick Ireland VIEW GRANT, Amelia Edith Daughter Single F 42 1869 Surrey Croydon VIEW GRANT, Helen Amsy Daughter Single F 27 1884 Surrey Croydon VIEW MIDDLETON, Eliza Servant Single F 31 1880 Cook Middlesex Tottenham VIEW HUKHINS, Edith Jane Servant Single F 26 1885 Parlour Maid Hants Mapledusrham in Basingstoke VIEW PARISH, Eleanor Esther Servant Single F 21 1890 Housemaid Surrey Croydon VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 3294 Reference: RG14PN3294 RG78PN125 RD39 SD2 ED13 SN119 Registration District: Croydon Sub District: South Croydon EnumerationDistrict: 13 Parish: Croydon Address: Sydney Hyrst 8 Chichester Road Croydon County: Surrey
Show Amelia's second name as Edith, so birth is not correct! Also show married for 44yrs so that makes date 1866/67 which is the date of the marriage I found. That would mean her maiden name was Godsell!
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 14:01 |
Wonder if this is her in 1861?
Name: Ellen Godsell Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Limerick, Ireland Civil parish: Holborn St George The Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: East Street
Occupation: House Servant
Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: St George the Martyr and St Andrew Western ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 739 Household Members: Name Age Archibald Holden 43 Sarah Holden 44 William A Holden 15 Agnes W Holden 13 Gertrude A Holden 2 Ellen Godsell 20 Amelia Coleman 14
but you say that she worked for his family! How do you know that if you don't know his parents names?
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Sarah Anne
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26 Mar 2010 14:12 |
Thanks for all this info but still want to find the parents and also earlier info on Henry and his sister Mary. It states that they were born in London from the censuses but nothing can be found for either before 1861 for Henry. Only ones I found for 1851 were entries at schools where they were boarding but not certain these are the correct Henry and Mary. Nothing in 1841 census that I could find. Perhaps he went to Australia and that is how he got the link as a merchant.
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 14:19 |
The first thing to do is buy the marriage cert. of either Henry or Mary, to find out their father's name and occupation. This will give you a better chance of finding them!
You don't answer my question about Helen's maiden name or how you know that she worked for his family! If she did work for them then that should help find them in the census returns.
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Catherine
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26 Mar 2010 14:24 |
A search on familysearch only shows one Henry Grant born in 1833 London:-
HENRY GRANT - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 10 NOV 1833 Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAY 1833 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England Father: HENRY GRANT Mother: MARION
but no proof that this is your man.
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Sarah Anne
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26 Mar 2010 20:59 |
Do you mean the christening took place in May 1834? I learnt about Helen Stack or Bramhill from my mother in law. However I cannot find any reference for Henry Grant in any of the censuses 1841, 1851 or 1861 that I can feel confident about. From 1871 they are all correct with family and servants.
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