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Trying to find parents of Henry and Mary Grant

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Sarah Anne

Sarah Anne Report 26 Mar 2010 10:29

Henry was born in 1833 and Mary about 1842 in London. Mary married John Francis Ross, who was in the Royal Navy and based in Australia and had a son Henry Ross. Henry was an Australian Merchant based in London and had a family but I cannot find details of his earlier life before 1861 census. He might have gone to Australia at one point. Their parents lived in London at one point but they also could have come from Australia. Henry and Mary might have had siblings but I do not know.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 10:32

Mary's marriage cert. will give you her fathers name and profession which will help find them on census records.
Any idea of their parents names and where they were born?
Who did Henry marry?
Please give all the details you have!

Sarah Anne

Sarah Anne Report 26 Mar 2010 13:25

No idea of parents names or where they came from but yes I do know who Henry married but not sure where. He married Helen Stack or Bramhill, first child born about 1865. She was Irish but worked for his family so suspect it would have been in London area.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 13:33

If you're not sure of his wifes name, the birth cert. of their children will give you her maiden name.

A marriage search for Henry Grant to Helen ? between 1853 and 1870 only show one:-

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
BRENCHLEY Emma Kensington 1a 190
GODSELL Helen Kensington 1a 190
GRANT Henry Kensington 1a 190
SMITH Harry Kensington 1a 190

where did you get the names Stack and Bramhill from?

You need to buy their marriage cert. to find out his father's name and occupation. It will also give you his address which may help find him on the census records.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 13:40

OK found him!
1901
Name: Henry Grant
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Chichester Road

Occupation: Australian Merchant

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Grant 68
Helen Grant 57 born: Ireland
Amelia E Grant 33 born: London, Middlesex
Beatrice N Grant 31
Frederick D P Grant 28
Louisa M Grant 26
Helen A Grant 19 born: Croydon, Surrey
Annie Eady 27 born: Croydon, Surrey
Monnie Worsell 41
Alice Newman 23
Alise Heard 76

1891
Name: Henry Grant
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Grant 58
Helen Grant 48
Henry W T Grant 20
Frederick D P Grant 18
Louisa M Grant 17
Albert D Grant 9
Helen A Grant 7
Alice Clark 23
Rose Elsey 21

1881
Name: Henry Grant
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Chichester Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Australian Mercht

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 26a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Grant 48
Helen Grant 39
Amelia E. Grant 13
Beatce. M. Grant 12
Henry W. Grant 10
Fredk.D. Grant 8
Louisa M. Grant 7
Ellen Bramhill 18
Selina Childs 23
Charltte. Huntley 18
Eliza Field 19


1871
Name: Henry Grant
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hellen
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Grant 38
Hellen Grant 28
Amelia E Grant 4
Beatrice M Grant 2
Henry W T Grant 5 months
Nellie Brambila 8
Emily Wells 32
Sussand Snelling 26


To confirm maiden name you need to buy the birth cert. of one of the children!
Births Mar 1869 (>99%)
GRANT Beatrice Maud Croydon 2a 221

Astra

Astra Report 26 Mar 2010 13:40

1871 for info

Hellen Grant
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Grant 38>>>>>Australian Merchant born St. Pancras?
Hellen Grant 28
Amelia E Grant 4
Beatrice M Grant 2
Henry W T Grant 5 months
Nellie Brambila 8
Emily Wells 32
Sussand Snelling 26

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 13:54

The only birth I can find for Amelia E. Grant is this one:-

Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
GRANT Amelia Ellen Pembroke 11a 821

but that's Wales?

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 13:58

1911
GRANT, Henry Head Married M 78 1833 Australian Merchant Export And Import Middlesex London VIEW
GRANT, Helen Wife Married 44 years F 66 1845 County of Limerick Ireland VIEW
GRANT, Amelia Edith Daughter Single F 42 1869 Surrey Croydon VIEW
GRANT, Helen Amsy Daughter Single F 27 1884 Surrey Croydon VIEW
MIDDLETON, Eliza Servant Single F 31 1880 Cook Middlesex Tottenham VIEW
HUKHINS, Edith Jane Servant Single F 26 1885 Parlour Maid Hants Mapledusrham in Basingstoke VIEW
PARISH, Eleanor Esther Servant Single F 21 1890 Housemaid Surrey Croydon VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3294 Reference:
RG14PN3294 RG78PN125 RD39 SD2 ED13 SN119

Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
South Croydon EnumerationDistrict:
13 Parish:
Croydon

Address:
Sydney Hyrst 8 Chichester Road Croydon County:
Surrey

Show Amelia's second name as Edith, so birth is not correct!
Also show married for 44yrs so that makes date 1866/67 which is the date of the marriage I found.
That would mean her maiden name was Godsell!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 14:01

Wonder if this is her in 1861?

Name: Ellen Godsell
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Limerick, Ireland

Civil parish: Holborn St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: East Street

Occupation: House Servant

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George the Martyr and St Andrew Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 739
Household Members:
Name Age
Archibald Holden 43
Sarah Holden 44
William A Holden 15
Agnes W Holden 13
Gertrude A Holden 2
Ellen Godsell 20
Amelia Coleman 14

but you say that she worked for his family!
How do you know that if you don't know his parents names?

Sarah Anne

Sarah Anne Report 26 Mar 2010 14:12

Thanks for all this info but still want to find the parents and also earlier info on Henry and his sister Mary. It states that they were born in London from the censuses but nothing can be found for either before 1861 for Henry. Only ones I found for 1851 were entries at schools where they were boarding but not certain these are the correct Henry and Mary. Nothing in 1841 census that I could find. Perhaps he went to Australia and that is how he got the link as a merchant.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 14:19

The first thing to do is buy the marriage cert. of either Henry or Mary, to find out their father's name and occupation.
This will give you a better chance of finding them!

You don't answer my question about Helen's maiden name or how you know that she worked for his family!
If she did work for them then that should help find them in the census returns.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Mar 2010 14:24

A search on familysearch only shows one Henry Grant born in 1833 London:-

HENRY GRANT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 NOV 1833
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAY 1833 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Father: HENRY GRANT
Mother: MARION

but no proof that this is your man.

Sarah Anne

Sarah Anne Report 26 Mar 2010 20:59

Do you mean the christening took place in May 1834?
I learnt about Helen Stack or Bramhill from my mother in law. However I cannot find any reference for Henry Grant in any of the censuses 1841, 1851 or 1861 that I can feel confident about. From 1871 they are all correct with family and servants.