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Gillian looking for Ernest Samuel Bates

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WDYTYA Advisor Report 23 Feb 2013 12:45

born in 1883, london - his parents were william Benjamin Bates and Annie sophia Soilleux. Ernest married Rose Annie Pemberton approx 1914.
Looking for any information on relative after 1914 - he drops out of sight after this time.

Many thanks everyone- Gillian will have a look at this board when she gets back from the show :)


Rambling Report 23 Feb 2013 12:53

Just for ref

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ernest Samuel Bates Name: Ernest Samuel Bates
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age: 32
Spouse Name: Rose Annie Pemberton
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Nov 1914
Parish: Stamford Hill St John, Vartry Road
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: William Benjamin Bates
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Joseph Pemberton
Register Type: Parish Register


Rambling Report 23 Feb 2013 12:55

The marriage cert gives him as living 18 Grayling Road

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
about Ernest Samuel Bates Name: Ernest Samuel Bates
Year: 1915
County or Borough: Hackney
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hackney North
Street Address: 18 Grayling road


PricklyHolly Report 23 Feb 2013 13:11

Is this Rose's death??

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Rose A Bates
Name: Rose A Bates
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1966
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 261

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Rose Annie Pemberton
Name: Rose Annie Pemberton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1886
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 261


Flip Report 23 Feb 2013 13:16

His death in same district as his wife's?

Ernest S Bates
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1968
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 344


Choccy Report 23 Feb 2013 13:34

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Ernest Samuel Bates
Year: 1965
County or Borough: Merton
Ward or Division/Constituency: Merton and Morden
Street Address: 87 Claremont Avenue
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3050

living with Rose A Bates


PricklyHolly Report 23 Feb 2013 13:37

It seems Ernest's Mother preferred the name Minnie.

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BATES, Ernest Samuel
Address: 18 Grayling Road Stoke Newington

BATES, Minnie Head Widow F 55 1856 London Finsbury VIEW
BATES, Ernest Samuel Son Single M 27 1884 Clerk Provision Merchants London Clerkenwell VIEW
BATES, Grace Agnes Daughter Single F 25 1886 Clerk Milliners London Clerkenwell VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1010
Reference: RG14PN1010 RG78PN34 RD11 SD1 ED6 SN200
Registration District: Hackney
Sub District: Stoke Newington
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Stoke Newington
Address: 18 Grayling Road Stoke Newington
County: London
(3 children born and living)

1901 England Census
about Ernest Bates
Name: Ernest Bates
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Bates
Mother's name: Minnie Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Redeemer
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 253
Folio: 89
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
William Bates 47 (Ventilator Maker)
(Same occupation that appears on Ernest's marriage record)
Minnie Bates 45
Percy Bates 19
Ernest Bates 19 (17 on th image)
Grace Bates 15


PricklyHolly Report 23 Feb 2013 13:56

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Benjamin Bates Bates
Name: William Benjamin Bates Bates
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Jan 1854
Father's Name: Samuel Bates (Labourer)
Mother's name: Charlotte Bates
Abode: 6 Jacobs Well
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%)
Bates William B B 50 Weymouth 5a 178


MaureeninNY Report 23 Feb 2013 14:00

The deaths (and everything else :-)) seem to be spot on.
When Rose Annie dies in 1966-probate to David Stretton WHITEHEAD (textile manager).

I don't like getting close to the 100 year rule but it's fairly easy using FreeBMD to figure out the daughter's name.



PricklyHolly Report 23 Feb 2013 14:19

Oh ~~~~~~~~waves excitedly!! :-D

Hello Maureen..........i haven't seen you on the boards for ages!!

Hope all is good with you.

Prickles. x


PricklyHolly Report 23 Feb 2013 14:27

I missed this first time round.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Rose Annie Bates
Name: Rose Annie Bates
Probate Date: 5 Oct 1966
Death Date: 17 Aug 1966
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England

Of 87 Claremont Avenue New Molden Surrey....at the General Hospital Sutton Surrey.

To David Stretton WHITEHEAD textile manager

Effects: £688


Gillian Report 4 Mar 2013 13:35

Many thanks I have most of this, especially up to 1914, was just hoping there might be somebody out there from Ernests side of the family, that we might reconnect? there was a big rift about then and Ernest was never mentioned in my fathers family but dad never knew why!?


SylviaInCanada Report 4 Mar 2013 19:22


To find connections, you really have to do a Search Trees on this site, to find out if there are any trees containing Ernest or Rose's names, and then contact the owner of the tree(s) by private message.

Very few people troll the Boards looking for contacts.

Clock on Search near the top of the screen

Click on Search All Trees

Good luck