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Anything PRE marriage on this pair please?

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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 13:49

Jean Adasylla/Adasyllia McLeod/MacLeod age 28 so born about 1893/4.Father John McLeod(Merchant)

Married 15th Nov 1922 to
James Bysshe/Byashe Fenwick age 32...Sergeant in Cameron Highlanders...Father William James Fenwick(Musician)Deceased.

He was in Barracks at Folkstone and she was at 25 Francis Street St Pancras which on 1911 was a Nurses Hostel.
Witnesses are Joseph Latham and Isobel Bateman/insy(hard to decipher)

I have all their passenger lists from Anc and FMP so dont want/need them thank you...
But for ref
Name: James B Fenwick
Birth Date: abt 1890
Age: 44
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 24 Oct 1934
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Viceroy of India

Name: Jeane A Fenwick
Birth Date: abt 1893
Age: 41
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 24 Oct 1934
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
Ship Name: Viceroy of India

Making for Banks of Lochness,GlenMoriston,Inverness and I know I have correct marriage as the daughters birth has been checked for me as well.

I am unable to find even a birth for either nor can I find them on ANY census...Nor can I find William James Fenwick (Musician )on any census or under any amount of googling...Nor can Cynthia who has been trying to help me with her limited skills. :-D

This is tied in somewhat on Evelyns search for her mother but I did not want to add to her existing thread as I dont want any possible finds buried among all that other info.
Thank you all for reading and any help offered..
Fan and Cyn..x

Edits
Neither Cyn nor I have found any Army details for James Bysshe/Byashe Fenwick either...

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 14:39

Just to say I/we have not found a death for them either....As elusive as Evelyns flamin mother this pair are..
Checked trees,checked census,checked Scotlandspeople,checked Freebmd,checked Familysearch and India office,googled googled and googled..Nowt zilch,zero...
:-S

Edits
Scratch that "Not found death"looked with me eyes shut I did

Name: FENWICK, Jean Adasilla L
Registration District: North Dorset
County: Dorset
Year of Registration: 1984
Month of Registration: October
Date of Birth: 9 March 1893
Volume No: 23
Page No: 500
Reg No: 1084

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 9 Jul 2011 14:54

1901 ??
Name: John Macleod
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Georgina Macleod
Gender: Male
Where born: Glenmoriston, Inverness Shire
Registration Number: 107/2
Registration district: Glenmoriston
Civil parish: Urquhart and Glenmoriston
County: Inverness
Address: Invermoriston Hotel
Occupation: Retired General Merchant
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1901_32
Household Members: Name Age
John Macleod 47
Georgina Macleod 47
Hannah G Macleod 14
Catherine A M Macleod 9
Jeannie A Macleod 8
Catherine Macleod 60



Oh bother

??
Name: Jeanie A Macleod
Birth Date: abt 1893
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 813

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 15:04

GB...Brilliant find,thank you...Think I have been looking too long and dint see that one at all...
Off to investigate as Glenmoriston figures in my notes somewhere..

No image available for this death??

FENWICK Jean Adasilla L England Dorset, North Dorset 1984
LISLE-FENWICK Jean Adasilla England Dorset, North Dorset 1984

Shame as I would so like to check to see if that says Isle and not Lisle on it...Will send for it anyway as it gets me in the right part of the country again as to Evelyns mothers death...

Thank you also Jan,any little thing for James Fenwick or Jean Mc/Macleod helps,we are sure there is some conection there but what is yet to be found.. :-0

GB...............Arrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh,just seen your edit.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 15:11

Think this is that Jeannie 1893 Inverness birth

1893 MCLEOD JEANIE F GLENMORISTON /INVERNESS

No sign of Adasilla/Adasylla at all

Oh noooooooooo,added to help confucious me even more.....

FENWICK James W L England Devon, Totnes
Name: LISLE-FENWICK, James W
Registration District: Totnes
County: Devon
Year of Registration: 1957
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 67
Volume No: 7A
Page No: 704


Scots 1911 gives Georgina ,John ,Catherine and Jeannie A here
1911 MCLEOD GEORGINA F 57 GLENMORISTON /INVERNESS

John is still a retired Merchant.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 15:59

I have just viewed that Jeannie birth 1893 and on it it says

Jeannie ADACILLA McLeod...Born MARCH THE NINTH 1893...

So GB...You found her..!

Thank you..

Now for dear James Bysshe/Byashe Fenwick... :-D

Dea

Dea Report 9 Jul 2011 16:04

Wow !! - Well done both !!!

I keep looking for anything on this but I'm afraid I have not been able to help - Sorry!

SO glad you are moving forward though :-)

Dea x

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 16:33

Dont know about moving forward much Dea,but it has solved the mystery of Jeans birth and takes Cyn off searching for her on baptism and more time to devote to finding James Bysshe/Byashe Fenwick c1890. :-D

And we started out looking for Jean Annabelle/a Mc/Macleods marriage and death,the only one of Donald and Kate Mc/Macleods daughters unaccounted for and old enough to be maybe have been Evelyns mothers mother,which we have still not found...

Oh well

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Jul 2011 17:33

http://www.glenmoriston.org.uk/Home/Census/1901%20Census.php

(same as GB's 1901, see note attached at side, says "would chase the bairns with a sword", lol)

Chris :)

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 9 Jul 2011 17:39

Thank you Chris.
Glad he wasnt my dad or grandad or in fact lived in my village come to that.!

At least MY grandad only chased us to tan our bums with the flat of his hand when we were naughty. :-D

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 9 Jul 2011 21:49

I know my skills are limited......huh.....but I can find some weird and wonderful things sometimes! :-P


The Fenwick on here seem to have taken the name Lisle on board for some reason and it's passed on to this day. Why????? Kate MacLeods maiden name was Isles.........anagramish?


Any clues welcome....thanks. :-D

Renes

Renes Report 10 Jul 2011 13:04

Nudging for Fans and her research assistant Cyns


Xxxxxx

Renes

Renes Report 10 Jul 2011 15:03

Fans -------Cured them now !! <3

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 10 Jul 2011 15:06

Cured what Renes??? :-D

Renes

Renes Report 10 Jul 2011 15:48

Very clever sweetie - made me smile

Probably of no relevance But - Googled the name "Adacilla"

And - there is one person on the 1901 Canadian Census listed

Such a strange name


Renes


<3

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 10 Jul 2011 15:57

Had a message at silly o'clock with a VERY wild theory from Cyns..So wild a theory she didnt wanna post it on here...
Not that I read it until decent o'clock.!
The woman is rather strange to say the least,let alone without her outlandish theories
Methinks me will have to call the men in white coats to collect her soon..
Unless she can come up with some evidence to prove herself right of course :-P
Other than the fact that the Fenwicks are entangled with the Mc/Macleods of course.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 10 Jul 2011 16:12

There may yet be some truth in my wild theories..........time will tell.

I have a very fertile imagination but the men in white coats can wait awhile


:-P


Thank you for that Renes. I will take a look. I can understand Fans making you smile......she has that effect on people....usually in pity!



:-D

jansmith

jansmith Report 23 Jul 2011 13:46

????? could father have had middle name "john" not "James"
FENWICK, WILLIAM JOHN
Initials: W J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Musician
Regiment/Service: Royal Marine Band
Unit Text: H.M.S. " Princess Royal."
Date of Death: 16/10/1918
Service No: RMB/2039
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Screen Wall. M. 73.
Cemetery: EDINBURGH (SEAFIELD) CEMETERY














FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 23 Jul 2011 15:31

He could have,but it clearly says William James Fenwick (dec) Musician ...on sons marriage cert.

But he may be a brother?Or same family anyway

And this is maybe his medal card from Documentsonline at NA?
Although it is under WW1 Merchant Seamen Medal Cards


Medal Card of Fenwick, William
Place of Birth: Edinburgh
1868

No its not...Forget that one.

This is the CWGC one

Name Fenwick, William
Register Number: 2039
Division: Royal Marines Band
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment: 15 August 1912
31 May 1882 ADM 159/110

And from FMP


First name(s): William

Last name: FENWICK

Number: RMB/2039

Rank: Musician

Awards:

Medals & clasps earned: 1914-15 Star, Victory & British War Medals
How issued or disposed of: No entry
Service branch: Royal Marine Band
Unit: HMS "Princess Royal"
Date of death: 16 Oct 1918
Cause of death:
Remarks: D.D. 16/10/18, I.C.4502/1918
Notes: CWGC = William John
ex-RN, ex-PLY/13410, ex-CH/14494, ex-RMB/259


And there is this one too

Name Fenwick, William
Register Number: 259
Division: Royal Marines Band
When Enlisted/Date of Enlistment: 11 January 1904
31 May 1882 ADM 159/103

That last one enlisted on my birth date but some many many years before... :-D

1911 for the CWGC one.

FENWICK, William John Boarder Single M 28 1883 Banham Royal Marine Band Royal Navy Holborn Hindust London Mdx

Registration District:
Portsmouth Sub District:
Portsea and Landport Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Portsmouth

And his birth

Births Sep 1882
Fenwick William John Holborn 1b 728

Renes

Renes Report 27 Aug 2011 14:36

As it is the bank holiday weekend and in case of boredom


I am nudging this thread