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James Cooper abt 1816

1841 Census livng at Toothill House Farm in Macclesfield Forest Cheshire.
Married to Ann
Known Children Sarah 1838 and Thomas 1852

Were there of ther children
Who were James parents

Thanks in advance Simon

Looking at the 1841 Census and St Stephens baptism records. I think James Coopers father was William Cooper born in 1786.

Other possibilities are:

1781 John
1782 William
1783 Adam
1790 John

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Here they are in 1851 still at the same address. He farms 25 acres

1851 England Census
about James Cooper
Name: James Cooper
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: MacClesfield Forest

Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Cooper 34
Ann Cooper 9
Eliza Cooper 7
Elizabeth Cooper 4
James Cooper 37
Mary Cooper 6
Sarah Cooper 13

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Mother and Sarah born Wildboarclough, Cheshire

1861 England Census
about William Cooper
Name: William Cooper
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest
Town: MacClesfield Forest
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Cooper 45
Ann Cooper 19
Eliza Cooper 17
Elizabeth Cooper 15
James Cooper 47
Thomas Cooper 9
William Cooper 2 image reads brothers son not brother in law
George Goodwin 19 servant
John Nield 28 servant

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James now farms 173 acres at Winsham farm



1871 England Census
about Ann Cooper
Name: Ann Cooper
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Wildboarclough

Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Cooper 54
James Cooper 57
Mary Cooper 26
Thomas Cooper 19
William Cooper 12 nephew
Joseph Cundiff 19 servant

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Same address as above

This is possibly his marriage to one of the Anns. MC would give the father's name and occupation.

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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Joseph Brooks 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Elizabeth Cliff 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 James Cooper 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Nancy Henshall 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 John Jackson 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Ann Nield 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 William Street 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Anne Walthall 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Liz

***alviegal*** Liz

Thanks for the Census and Marriage look-ups.
Certainly gives me more to go on.
Ann's maiden name Walthall or Nield both uncommon names.
Should be relatively easy to track down.

Could you find Census and Marriage details of one of James sons Thomas please.

Hi Simon, here Thomas is in 1881. He seems to have taken over his dad's farm. Did you notice in 1861 census, one of the servants had the surname Neild? Possible relative of the wife?




Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas COOPER Head M Male 29 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Farmer Of 174 Acres
Ann COOPER Wife M Female 29 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Farmers Wife
Sarah COOPER Daur U Female 7 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Scholar
James COOPER Son U Male 5 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Scholar
William COOPER Son U Male 2 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England
Fred COOPER Son U Male 4 m Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England
Sarah LONGDEN Servant U Female 14 Bradford, Lancashire, England Domestic Servant
George BALEY Servant U Male 22 Rushton, Stafford, England Farm Servant (Indoor)

Source Information:
Dwelling Winshaw
Census Place Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341836
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3490 / 53
Page Number 4



1891 England Census
about Thomas Cooper
Name: Thomas Cooper
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizebeth Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: MacClesfield Forest, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest
Ecclesiastical parish: Macclesfield Forest
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: still farmer at Winsham

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
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Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Cooper 8
Elizebeth Ann Cooper 27
Fred Cooper 10
Harold Cooper 2
James Cooper 15
Sarah Cooper 17
Thomas Cooper 32
William Cooper 13
James Mitchell 62 servant

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1901 England Census
about Thomas Cooper
Name: Thomas Cooper
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: MacClesfield; Forest

Civil Parish: MacClesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Macclesfield St George
Town: MacClesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 175
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Cooper 18 brickfitter?
Fred Cooper 20 brickfitter?
Harold Cooper 12
Mary E Cooper 43 b Hurdsfield
Thomas Cooper 49 builder and contractor

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This seems to be the family but complete change of occupation.

These are marriages between 1871 and 1875 in Macclesfield.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
BROOKER Fanny Mary Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view
COOPER Ann Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view
COOPER Thomas Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view
RICHARDS Thomas Edward Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view

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Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
BRINDLEY Eliza Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view
Cliff John Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view
Cooper Thomas Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view
Jennings Caroline Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view

***alviegal*** Liz


Merry Xmas to you

I had noticed the name Nield. I have confirmed that now through another GR tree. Thanks again.

So Thomas Cooper married an Ann Cooperin 1873.

Ann died in 1883 giving birth to son Arthur. He died 10 weeks later. Source: http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/CHS/MacclesfieldForest/MIs.html

Thomas must have married Elizebeth Ann in 1883/84. Her maiden name would be useful.

My connection I think is through Thomas's son William. I think he married Ellen Pearson from Chinley/Bugsworth area. Their daughter was my Grandmother.

The change of occupation is interesting. My Dad has told me in the past that Harold had a building company in Macclesfield called Cooper Brothers but I have never found any information on it.

I just now need to confirm Thomas's William to Ellen and I confident my understanding is correct.

I still need to find James 1816 parents I think his father was William (I worked this out from other Gravestone at St Stephens)

Have a great Xmas and thank-you

Regards

Simon

I think this is Harold's birth (1891 census). This would tell you Elizabeth Ann's maiden name as I'm not finding anything on ancestry or freebmd as to a marriage.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Harold Cooper
Name: Harold Cooper
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: MacClesfield
County: Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 132 (click to see others on page)


I'm glad you knew what happened to Ann as the 3 census all have different spouses.

I think this may be the last marriage to Mary E

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Match quality: 2 out of 5 James Adams 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Sarah Jane Collins 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Thomas Cooper 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Mary Ellen Orme 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire


Name: Mary E. Orme
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Hurdsfield, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Hurdsfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: 11 Mason Lane
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Ticketer Of Silk Goods

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Bollington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
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Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Orme 36
Ernest Orme 4
Mary E. Orme 23
Samuel Orme 58
Samuel Orme 10
Sarah Orme 61

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1891 England Census
about Mary E Orme
Name: Mary E Orme
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Hurdsfield, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Hurdsfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Hurdsfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Bollington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
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Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Orme 45 head
Ernest Orme 14 son
Mary E Orme 33
Samuel Orme 20 son

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Possible for William in 1901? Right area for his marriage.


Name: William Cooper
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Brownside, Bugsworth, and Chinley
Ecclesiastical parish: Bugsworth St James and Glossop All Saints
Town: Bugsworth
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: The Hague

Occupation: farm servant, ag lab

Condition as to marriage: S

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
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Household schedule number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
James W Broadhurst 44 Farmer
Jesse A Carrington 16 Farm servant
William Cooper 22
Mary Scott 50 Housekeeper

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marriages

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
ANDERSSEN Ivy Ethel Chapel le F. 7b 1574 Scan available - click to view
COOPER William Chapel le F. 7b 1574 Scan available - click to view
PEARSON Ellen Chapel le F. 7b 1574 Scan available - click to view
WHATHAM Oswald Dacre Chapel le F 7b 1574



Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
COOPER William Henry Chapel le F. 7b 1206 Scan available - click to view
Lythgoe Ada Chapel en le F 7b 1206 Scan available - click to view
MYCOCK Bertha Chapel le F. 7b 1206 Scan available - click to view
REDFERN William Chapel le F. 7b 1206



Plenty possible marriages for Macclesfield though. Happy searching and have a great Christmas. Will get back to you later. Must put the dinner on.

Liz

This man farms at Winshaw Farm. In 1861 he has retired and moved out.

1851 England Census
about Thomas Cooper
Name: Thomas Cooper
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy
Gender: Male
Where born: Wildboarclough, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Nancy Cooper 63
Thomas Cooper 70
William Cooper 24
Thomas Lomas 24
Mary Vernon 21

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1841 England Census
about Thomas Cooper
Name: Thomas Cooper
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Prestbury
Hundred: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Winshaw

Occupation:farmer

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Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow
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Household Members:
Name Age
John Cooper 15
Nancy Cooper 55
Thomas Cooper 60
Thomas Cooper 20
William Cooper 15

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Liz

Thanks for all the information and so much info found on Xmas day!

I will peruse the information through the day and speak to my Dad to confirm what he knows.

I know my Grandmother was Evelyn born to William Cooper and Ellen Cooper (nee Pearson). Moved from Bugsworth in the early 1900's.

I just need to be sure that the William Cooper on the 1901 Census in Chinley/Bugsworth is the son of Thomas Cooper from Macclesfield Forest.

What happened to them. Farmers then builders. William working as a Ag Lab in another area. Family must have had a hard time in the 1890's.

Thanks for your help so far

Simon

I have ordered William Coopers and Ellen Pearsons marriage cert to confirm the link between Bugsworth and Macc Forest.
Thomas 1781 is my direct descendent I am 95% sure. James 1815 was his son then Thomas 1852. William 1879 who married Ellen and then my Grandma Evelyn in 1901.

Still don't know what happened to the farm.
I have been trying to find details of The Earl of Derby's land in Macc Forest area. The land was rented from his Estate. A record of why Thomas Cooper left the farming must be somewhere.

Anybody know where these records are?