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If anyone knows an Agnes Duggan or any of her decendents, please get in touch. She is my adoptive mum's aunt.

Her brother Wilfred was my grandfather, he passed away in 1956.

Not very likely that anyone who reads this will know this person; consider the odds ...

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Name: Wilfred Duggan
Death Registration Month/Year: 1957
Age at death (estimated): 43 = dob c1904
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 87

Possibly, I thought he died 1956, was aged 43, mum said so. Area is about right.

I found his marriage 1938 Q4 Manchester South, Lancs. 8D, 435.

That would make his DOB dying aged 43 c1914 /1913 not c1904?

Oh fine, show me up for my arithmetic! ;) Of course it would. No wonder I couldn't find him in the 1911 census ...

I meant to check the image for the death ... it was registered in apr-may-june quarter so could have occurred in March, but not in 1956.

That year of birth is better -- it will give his mother's surname. You don't know these things then? All easily found here:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Two to choose from:

Births Jun 1914
Duggan Wilfred Duggan Halifax 9a 708

Births Sep 1914
DUGGAN Wilfred Myers Ecclesall B. 9c 811

The second one would have been not yet 43 at the death in 1957, but that wouldn't necessarily rule him out. Do you know which one is correct?

There's no Agnes after 1911 with mother Myers (1911 is when mother's surname was first recorded in the index). Mother's surname Duggan indicates that the parents weren't married.

Mum said he was 43 when he died in accident. Strangely under something I drive for a living :-( eeek. Wasn't me, wasn't born.

That means first illegitimate one I guess. Saw these the other day and didn't know as neither name rang a bell. Could a Duggan have married a Duggan?

Mum refers to her dad's sister Aunty Agnes a lot. Remember this as my fiancee has an aunty agnes also.

Had lots of trouble with ancestry site. Kept paying, being asked to pay again. Lost faith in it.

There are just too many missing pieces of the puzzle at this point, I fear.

Wilfred's marriage certificate would give you his father's name -- if he stated it. If his parents weren't married and his surname was his mother's, he likely didn't. But that would be the clue to which birth was him. (It isn't too likely that a Duggan married a Duggan -- but you can certainly do the search at FreeBMD to check it out.)

Does your mum know whether Agnes was older or younger? Any idea who she married, where she lived, when/where (presumably) she died?

You need something more in order to find a trail to follow.

They lost touch with that side of the family for some reason.

You guys found the birth record for Blanche, his wife. It was 1919 and Blanchard (Blanche) F. Bracegirdle. Found typing in BracegRIdle. Two corrections at bottom of page. Was entered as Blouchard originally. No wonder I couldn't find. Alas, her MMN is Bracegirdle also.

Could that be blamed on war time and men coming and going leaving their seed without consequence?

Not "you guys". Someone else altogether, in a thread about the same people, contrary to the rules.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/bracegirdle/thread/1262476

Sorry, want threads to work back seperately. Crossover came about due to marriage but search is backwards on each side of the tree separately. Explained on other thread better. Bit stressed as dad been in trauma hospital this week with injury. He's not passed any info on his side down for when we have kids. My fiancee has a great wealth of history back to 1500s from hers. Worried I'd never get to know where from on adoptive parents side. Still don't know my real dad. Just stressed, forgot rule, sorry.