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hallo, i`m new to this and am coming unstuck. i`m looking for the ancestors of jack butler 1919-1979, sisters -mary, may, brother james, father - james, mother - mabel england.
i think he had an aunt sarah ann and i`ve followed that lead - 1901 census-allen st hucknall, but i`m not sure if i`ve got the right line ( theres alot of butlers in hucknall). and if i have, i`m lost after allen street. does any one know my family?
any help would be apprieciated, many thanks, anita

I have found the death of a
Jack Butler birthday 26th Sep 1919 died in Nottingham vol 8 page 1185, 2nd qtr 1979.

Is the mother called Mabel England or is that where she was born?
There is this marriage

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James Butler 1918 Oct-Nov-Dec Harley Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
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Mabel Harley 1918 Oct-Nov-Dec Butler Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
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Roy Marwood 1918 Oct-Nov-Dec Houghton Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
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I think this is the census you'e found


Name: James Butler
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Papplewick, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Hucknall
Ecclesiastical parish: Hucknall St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

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Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Hucknall Torkard
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
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Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
James Butler 12
John Butler 63
John Butler 23
Mary Butler 19 b Papplewick
Sarah Butler 49 b Rotherham, Yorkshire
Sarah G Butler 9 (actually Sarah A on the image) b Papplewick

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Births Dec 1919
Butler Jack England Basford 7b 540




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thanks for the swift replies! i`ve got jacks (my dad)details, but its his dad- james- definate ancestors i`m getting stuck on, i dont know if i`m following the right line because i`ve only got one aunt left and shes finding it difficult to recall certain information.
england is mabels maiden name, harley is her married name from her first husband who died in ww1. i`ve found records of mabel and james marrying in 1918 AND 1924.

this might sound daft, but how can i be sure the butlers in the census i`ve found (same as the one above) are the right ones?!

It is not Mable who married in 1924.
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1924

BUTLER James Harley Basford 7b 585

Harley Phyllis Butler Basford 7b 585

It is the one in 1918
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1918
BUTLER James Harley Basford 7b 362
Harley Mabel Butler Basford 7b 362

I would think you'd need to get the marriage certificate of Mabel and James which should have the parents names on it.

Liz

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You can order their marriage cert for £7 online at the General register office.

Mabel's first husband

Casualty Details
Name: HARLEY, ANTHONY JOHN
Initials: A J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: North Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 30/04/1916
Service No: 17161
Additional information: Son of Daniel and Lucy Harley, of Hucknall; husband of Mabel Butler (formerly Harley), of 18, Carlingford Rd., Hucknall, Notts.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 18.
Cemetery: DRANOUTRE MILITARY CEMETERY


Marriage. She's missing from the page though.

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John A V Ellery 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep Shelton Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
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Anthony J Harley 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep England Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
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Elsie M Shelton 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep Ellery Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
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thanks for clearing that up, i thought maybe they`d renewed their vows.

how`d you know where to look for the ww1 records? i`m also looking for details of my partners g/dad - ernest william OR william ernest bestwick who served in the durham infantry in ww1, born in derbyshire about 1898. very vague, i know. (he didn`t die in the war by the way)

go to commonwealth wargraves commision, just type cwgc into google

http://www.cwgc.org/

Anita,
There is an Ernest Bestwick coming up on ancestry WW1 pensions. Did he have a wife, Esther and children George Ernest b 1914 and Mary?? b 1916. It looks like he joined the DLI before being transferred. He was a lacemaker before becoming a groom.
No hold that, he'd have had to have been born before your one.

sorry for the late reply, not been doing this for a while, had some ops and a berevement, back to it now though, i`l get more info and get stuck in. thanks for everyones help. anita x

Anita

My husband's family is one of the Hucknall Butler families. I have the info. on the 1918 marriage. 14 December 1918 Hucknall Torkard St Mary's; James Butler ,29, miner, of 26 Allen St. Hucknall, Father John Butler (deceased) miner. Mabel Harley, 26, widow of 60 Victoria St. Hucknall Father William England, Miner. Witnesses: Hezekiah Bradbury and Minnie Mee.

Mary