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Sylvia,

I frequently get side-tracked :-D

But I have decided that there is a TV series waiting to be developed by this bl^^dy Mortimer family saga.

My imagination is in overdrive :-D :-D :-D

I must tell you that in checking up your Mortimers, I somehow got sidetracked into a Google search of the Coliseum and Empire theatres in Oldham


how on earth did that happen??????? :-S :-S :-S


it did engage me for about an hour



both were theatres of my young days .............. the Empire as vaudeville in the 1940s (yes, my parents did take me there as a child :-) ), and the Coliseum as a weekly Repertory Theatre in the 50s and 60s

Right, at the time of Joseph's death, both his sister, Elizabeth Elms,
and his son-in-law, were alive.

Who was the next of kin, and who paid for the cremation?

Why cremation?

Indeed


:-S :-S :-S

OK, the Crem opened in 1892!

http://manchestercrematorium.co.uk/?page_id=7

So even in 1896, cremation would have been the exception, rather than the rule.

Just co-incidentally, both Clifford Mortimer and Adelaide Mortimer, were cremated there in their respective years of death

:-S :-S :-S

I should also have added that Joseph's daughter, Sarah Ann Borroughs was buried there in 1895, the year before Joseph's death.

I'll do a search on Manchester Crematorium, which, from memory, was the first one established

You're very welcome


Interesting point ......... I don't think cremation was as common then as it is now

Many thanks, Sylvia, for both lots of information :-D

I should have mentioned that Thomas Borroughs was Robert's father as he is down on Robert's Marriage Certificate as such :-)

My apologies for the oversight.

Just one of my 'observations': I wonder why Joseph was cremated when Jane Mortimer (his wife) and Evelyn Jane Borroughs (his grand-daughter) were buried, albeit in the Borroughs/Burroughs family grave :-S

looks as though Edwin was indeed Robert's brother ................


1861 Census

Name: Robert Burroughs
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Burroughs
Gender: Male
Where born: Rusholme, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rusholme
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 34

Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 2874
Folio: 76
Page Number: 39

Thomas Burroughs 34
Hannah Burroughs 39
>>>>> Robert Burroughs 9
Mary Burroughs 5
>>>>> Edwin Burroughs 3 b.ca 1858, Rusholme
Jane Broadhurst 23 Servant

Hi


you may ask me to look up anything, and I'll see if I can find it ................... you're certainly not pushing the bounds of friendship too far :-)




There is no sign of either Jane or Joseph leaving a will :-(

Sylvia, my apologies!

I never answered your earlier question re Edwin Borroughs and Thomas Borroughs.

Thomas Borroughs was Robert's father and I'm assuming that Edwin was Robert's brother.

Now, pushing the friendship further :-0 would you possibly be kind enough to see if Joseph and Jane Mortimer left any wills etc.

Jane Mortimer died 10th December 1892, at 43 Monmouth Street Rusholme Manchester

Joseph Mortimer died January 1986, at the Union Workhouse, Withington Manchester

Aha!

I have also found Evelyn's, not Eveline as recorded on the Cemetery Site, death aged 0.

That would account for Sarah Ann's condition :-(

Found Joseph, he was cremated.

Many thanks, Sylvia :-D

Edwin Borroughs was one of the witnesses at Robert's Marriage.

Brother/ Best Man?

I'm trying, at the moment, to find out where Joseph Mortimer was buried.

As he died after his wife, Jane, I assumed that they would be buried together :-S

Edwin Borroughs, Butcher, seems to be the son of Thomas Borroughs ...................... is Thomas a brother of Robert?

:-D



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Robert Borroughs

Name: Robert Borroughs
Probate Date: 24 Jun 1913
Death Date: 30 Apr 1913
Death Place: Manchester, England
Registry: London, England


from image:-


Borroughs, Robert, of 492 Claremont Road, Rusholme, Manchester, died 30 April 1913 at Lancaster Infirmary, Lancaster. Probate London 24 June to Ewdin Borroughs, Butcher, and John Thomas Leadbetter, Pawnbroker.
Effects £4410 8s 10d
Resworn £6710 8s 10d


It DOES say Ewdin .................. but may be a mis-spelling for Edwin?

Hi


back after dinner ..................


I'll do the look ups for you now :-)

Wow!

Just done a search on the Manchester Council (UK) Burials on line site and found this:


If you are a registered user with spare search credits you can obtain more information about a register entry by selecting the name of the deceased.



Cemetery

Section

Grave

Position

Deceased

Southern Cemetery BConsecrated 200 1 Hannah Burroughs
Southern Cemetery BConsecrated 200 2 Jane Mortimer
Southern Cemetery BConsecrated 200 3 Eveline Jane Borroughs
Southern Cemetery BConsecrated 200 4 Sarah Ann Boroughs
Southern Cemetery BConsecrated 200 5 Robert Borroughs




Manchester City Council

Sylvia, a big ask I know :-)

Could you possibly do a search on Ancestry to see if Robert Burroughs (Borroughs) had a Will, or whether Probate was granted?

We have his address in Manchester, and date of death in Lancaster.

Wills and Probate are areas not well covered by FMP after about 1858.

Many thanks :-)

Allan

that would be interesting!