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Dead end - help please. Ann Smith b c 1838 Westbur

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Sootem

Sootem Report 16 Nov 2008 15:53

Ann Smith married William John Wells bc 1836 - he was a seaman from Sunderland. Any help gratefully received.

Thanks

Susan

Penny

Penny Report 16 Nov 2008 15:54

Her fathers name was???

Westbur...............?? its chopped it off

westbury - Glouc?

Married him where? when?
Children of the marriage? bornn where and when?

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 17 Nov 2008 11:00

Hi Susan,

If you order the marriage cert, it will give her fathers name and occupation;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
--
Smith Ann Dorcas Bethnal Green 1c 438
WELLS William John Bethnal Green 1c 438

If this is the correct registration, then her middle name is Dorcas which may help your search.

Dee x

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 11:18

Possibly William in 1861:-

ame: William Wells
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Carpenter
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: At Sea
County/Island: Misc Ships At Sea or Abroad
Country: England

Occupation: Carpenter

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Misc Ships
Sub registration district: Misc Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: McDonnell
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John George Dryden 41
Robert Dryden 30
George Munro 29
Henry Tucker 46
William Wells 27

doddsy1

doddsy1 Report 17 Nov 2008 11:28

William Wells married Anne Smith in 1859, Sunderland

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 11:34

Thanks Seaham Lass, so 1861 census is probably correct as he is noted as being married.

Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
Harper Amelia Sunderland 10a 407
Shaw George Sunderland 10a 407
Smith Anne Sunderland 10a 407
Wells William Sunderland 10a 407

Susan, if you buy the certificate it will give you his and her fathers names and professions which will make it easier to find them in earlier census records.

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 11:39

This is the only William Wells I could find in 1851 census that fits:-

Name: William Wells
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Margret
Gender: Male
Where born: Sendld, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Occupation: House Carpenter

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Household Members:
Name Age
Ameila Mack 34 born: Axford Glimphon
David Mack 33 born: Scotland
Margret Wells 56 born: Kelloe, Scotland
(Pauper)
William Wells 15

As profession fits with 1861 census there's a good chance that this one is correct.



Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 11:44

1841:-
Name: William Wells
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England

Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Hundred: Easington (North Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: Bishop Wearmouth North
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Wells 45 - 1796 born: Durham, England
(Sawyer)
Margaret Wells 45 - 1796 born: Scotland
Mary Wells 10 born: Durham, England
William Wells 5

doddsy1

doddsy1 Report 17 Nov 2008 11:53

1871 England Census about Anne Wells
Name: Anne Wells
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Wells 33, Husband at Sea
Anne Wells 11
Elizabeth E Wells 8
Emily Wells 2 months
John W Wells 5
Mary J Wells 2

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 11:55

Looks like Anne in 1861:-
Name: Anne Wells
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Motherwell, Wiltshire, England
(looks more like Westbury, Wiltshire)

Civil Parish: Sunderland
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Occupation: Mariners Wife

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 322
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Wells 23
Anne Wells 1

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 12:00

1881:-
Name: Anne Wells
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 13 Nicholson St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Mariners Wife

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ada Wells 8
Anne Wells 43
Elizabeth Ellen Wells 18
Emily Wells 10
John Wm. Wells 15
Mary Jane Wells 11

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 12:04

1891:-
Name: Anne Wills
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hendon St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Wills 50
Mary A Wills 21 born: Sunderland
David Orow 41 boarder - born: Scotland

doddsy1

doddsy1 Report 17 Nov 2008 12:23

There's a possibility that Ann Smith is in the workhouse in Westbury in 1851

1881 they Wells family are still in Sunderland

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 15:31

Anne gives her date of birth as 1838 in all census records apart from 1891.
In 1841 census there are two Ann Smiths in Westbury, Wiltshire one born 1839 and the other 1837.
The first seems more likely but you will only be sure when you have the marriage cert. so you can check the name of her father and his profession.

1841:-
Name: Ann Smith
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Westbury
Hundred: Westbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Westbury
Sub registration district: Edington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Holloway 55 born: Wiltshire
Sarah Holloway 50 born: Wiltshire
James Holloway 14 born: Wiltshire
George Smith 26 - 1815 born: Wiltshire
(Ag.Lab.)
Hannah Smith 25 - 1816 born: Wiltshire
Ann Smith 2


1841:-
Name: Ann Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Westbury
Hundred: Westbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Westbury
Sub registration district: Edington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 30 - 1811 born: Wiltshire
(Ag. Lab.)
Catherine Smith 30 - 1811 born: Wiltshire
Sophia Smith 15 - 1826 born: Wiltshire
Janny Smith 6 - 1835 born: Wiltshire
Ann Smith 4 -
Sarah Smith 2 - 1839 born: Wiltshire

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 15:37

This would be the 1851 record Seaham Lass, mentions:-

Name: Ann Smith
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Westbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Westbury
Sub registration district: Bradley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3j - Workhouse

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Nov 2008 15:41

First Ann Smith in 1851:-
Name: Ann Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Bratton, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Westbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Bratton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Westbury
Sub registration district: Bradley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Smith 12
Arthur Smith 7 born: Bratton, Wiltshire
George Smith 35 born: Bratton, Wiltshire
(Ag. Lab.)
Hannah Smith 34 born: Bratton, Wiltshire
Jane Smith 5 born: Bratton, Wiltshire
Marin Smith 2 born: Bratton, Wiltshire