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I am trying to locate the forename of my great grandmother. I know that her father, William Smith, was killed in 1902 by a fatal murder at Clough Hall gates in Kidsgrove, Stoke-on-Trent. This led to the Hall being closed in 1906.

I don't know anything else about her apart from the fact that she married my great grandfather George Turner.

I have been led down the wrong track previously and had the wrong person completely.

What do I do to find her name out?

I know she gave birth to my grandad and his siblings. My grandfather was called Albert and his siblings were Arthur, George and Amos.

Please help!

Nicola Turner

We need some dates.............when were the children born? And where?

My grandfather Albert was born 31/03/1924. He married my grandmother Ethel Camm in 1946.

My great grandfather and grandmother lived at Napien Street in Kidsgrove.

I don't know any dates for my grandfathers siblings. I have searched for their names however, I can't find any record of them. My auntie recalls a possible sister named Ada, however, she doesn't know if Ada was married to one of the siblings.

I'm not certain yet as to the exact birth registry for my great grandfather either.

All the siblings were born in Kidsgrove.

Nicola

Is this your grandfather?

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Turner Albert Smith Stoke T 6b 173

Yeah...

That's my grandad. Just struggling to find his parents now! I know their names but not sure who is who!

Turner and Smith have got to be the most popular names to search ever!

Nicola

If you are happy that the birth reg'n is correct....buy the cert.

It will tell you all you need to know about his parents

Buy your grandfather's birth certificate and it will have his parent's full names on it.

Kath. x

My auntie has got my grandfathers birth cert - the original one - and all it has got on it is his fathers name (George Turner) and his sex which is quite obviously, male (!), and his date of birth!

Not much help really.

Nicola

That can't be a full birth certificate. I would order one with the reference Eric gave and it should have more information. The GRO reference wouldn't have his mother's maiden name on it if her name wasn't on the certificate.

Kath. x

George Turner married Lily May Smith in 1905 in Wolstanton, Staffs

1915 Birth
TURNER George Smith Wolstanton 6b 215

I've had my grandfather's (Albert Turner) birth cert through the post now. It tells me that:

Albert's mother was Lily May Smith
Albert's father was George Albert Turner
He lived at 12 Chapel Street, KIdsgrove, Stoke on Trent
His date of birth was 31/3/24

Where do I go now to find out who his siblings were?? And with very little information of his parents how do I find out who their parents were??

I need some help! Thanks, Nicola x

Next to buy is the marriage certificate

Marriages Mar 1905
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SMITH Lily May Wolstanton 6b 157
TURNER George Wolstanton 6b 157


Lesley

1901 England Census
about Lily May Smith
Name: Lily May Smith
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Kidsgrove
Ecclesiastical parish: Kidsgrove St Thomas
Town: Kidsgrove
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
William Smith 36
Elizabeth Smith 35
Amos Smith 16
Lily May Smith 14
Elsie Smith 10
Elizabeth Smith 7
George Smith 4
Harry Smith 3
Emma Smith 8 months


Funny that these live in Kidgrove too!! Not too funny as families did seem to stick together in those day.

Lesley

Lily is on the 1911 census I suggest you buy some credits and have a look to be absolutely certain.

Lesley

That's great! How would I go about finding out who the children of this couple were though?

I know my grandad had a brothers called Amos, George and Arthur. I can only find Arthur though and it appears I have the wrong one as it shows that he has the same date of birth as my grandad which isn't true!

It's sending me around in circles.

Nicola