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I am having difficulty locating the BIRTH record of Elizabeth SMITH who was born about 1868 in Bisley, Woking, Surrey. I have her on the 1901, 1891 and 1881 censuses, latterly as the wife of Herbert TURNER, and formerly as the daughter of William SMITH and Mary Ann. I have had no success in finding her birth details however.
I know from her daughter's birth certificate that she was unable to write (and presumably read) so I assume the chance that her family were unable to read or write too must be greater and therefore the chance of mistranscription could be greater. I understand her father, William TURNER owned fair ground rides and therefore travelled around. If you can help point me towards her birth record I would greatly appreciate your help.
Many thanks in advance if you can help.
Ian

for ref

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Smith Elizabeth Esther Greenwich 1d 1699
Turner Herbert James Greenwich 1d 1699


The district Greenwich spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, Kent and London;

The reg dist for Bisley was Chertsey and in the 1871 census she appears as Betsy Smith aged 6
Birth reg in Chertsey 1865 Dec Q vol 2a page 35 Betsey Smith

1871 Ashford Middlesex
William Smith 37 Traveller b Chertsey
Mary Ann 34 wife b Bermondsey
Thomas 15 Market Relsley Berks
Mary A 13 b Bisley Surrey
William 11 b Ascot Berks
John 8 B Bisley
BETSY 6 b Bisley
Harry 4 b Egham
Joseph 1 b Bisley

1881 Chertsey Road Windlesham (3 Fair Carts)
William smith 42 Proprietor of Roundabouts and Swings b Chertsey
Mary Ann 44 wife b Kent
William 21 b Ascot
John 19 b Frimley
Elizabeth 15 b Bisley
Albert 9 b Aldershot all above children described as Assistants
Amy 4 b Woking
Mary Ann Thomas 28 daur b Blackwater
John Thomas 21 son in law b Lambeth

this is her marriage which is on the other thread.

Herbert Turner......Elizabeth Smith
Chertsey
3rd qtr 1886
vol 2a page 66

Brenda

Her birth:

Births Dec 1865
Smith Betsey Chertsey 2a 35


and

here is her christening:

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BETSY SMITH Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
21 JAN 1866 Bisley, Surrey, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM SMITH Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C135242 1760 - 1875 0991762 Film 6906237 Film
Sheet: 00

Brenda

The birth & christening of Elizabeth (Betsey) Smith's sister Lavinia:-

Births Mar 1868
SMITH Lavinia Windsor 2c 400


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LAVINIA SMITH Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
05 APR 1868 Bisley, Surrey, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM SMITH Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C135242 1760 - 1875 0991762 Film 6906237 Film
Sheet: 00

Moody Blue comes up with the goods again!! Thank you so much! You will have seen that I obtained Herbert Turner's daughter birth certificate this week which confirmed that Elizabeth Smith was his wife (although the Richard doesn't appear anywhere on the certificate so that might have been the problem in finding details of him in the first place, esp. as there is a Herbert Richard Tuner in Chertsey at the same time (may be a relative, I might find out in time). Haven't forgotton all the other work you did on HR Turner and will get back to it, but I only get limited time each week!!
Nevertheless thank you again so much for your efforts, which I really do appreciate.
kind regards
Ian