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Richard Edward Smith was born 23/02/1906 Forest Gate, London England. He married Maise Kathleen West 15/08/1931 at st Michael & All Angels Church Woolwich, Previous to that he was married and lived in Wales for a short time. I do not know her name or where the marriage took place. I know she died and they had a daugter who was brought up by her other grandparents. I remember my grandparents were upset when they lost contact.

My mum thinks she married Melvin and had 2 children

Malcolm? born c1947

Arn't Mums wonderful.
I would like to know about my grandad's other family but mum does not remember where in Wales they were.

tree on ancestry

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/9942700/person/-352593183?ssrc=

first wife was Louisa J Hartshorn
married 1925 West Ham Essex


another tree on ancestry has the first daughters name as Peggy

The GRO reference for the marriage found by Victoria:-

Name: Richard E Smith
Spouse Surname: Hartshorn
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925
Registration district: West Ham
Registration county (inferred): Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 793

Kath. x

I have pm'd Peggys birth & marriage to Melvin and subsequent birth of Malcolm


**Well done to you Victoria, I thought his was a lost cause as it was SMITH ;-)

The daughter's birth:-

Name: Peggy L Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hartshorn
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1925
Registration district: W Ham
Registration county: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 186

Kath. x

This could possibly be Louisa's death. Right place and possibly right sort of age:-

Louisa J. Smith, AGE 28
March qtr, 1929, W. Ham, 4a, 540

Kath. x

This is looking good. Thank you everyone.

Could be Louisa's birth (with the Welsh connection):-

Name: Louisa Jane Hartshorn
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Crickhowell
County: Breconshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 101

Kath. x

I am certain that Peggy died young too and my grandparents were upset when they were sending gifts presumably to Malcolms children as they had died several years before without my grandparents knowing.

Without knowing Peggy's married name it's impossible to find her death.

Kath. x

Thank you everyone. I have entered the details on my tree and hope to get some certificates soon. I have sent messages to possible matches so will now wait for some reponse.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: HARTSHORN, Louisa J
Address: 87a, King Street, Brynmawr


HARTSHORN, James Head Married M 37 1864 Coal Miner Hewer
Brynmawr
Brecknockshire VIEW
HARTSHORN, Louisa Wife Married F 33 1868
Brynmawr
Brecknockshire VIEW
HARTSHORN, James Son Single M 8 1893
Brynmawr
Brecknockshire VIEW
HARTSHORN, Louisa J Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1901
Brynmawr
Brecknockshire