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I am looking for information on an Ann Smith. She married a Thomas Booth probably somewhere in the Manchester area, date unknown as I have not been able to find any details at the Records Office of the marriage or of her birth which I think was around 1848/1853. She wa the mother of James William Booth who wa born in 1880 on either the 14th of March or the 15th February. I have two. bits of old documents which give thesedifferent dates any help would be nmuch appreciated.

You may have a birth record and a christening record?

His birth certificate will give his actual date of birth:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Jun 1880 ?
BOOTH James William Manchester 8d 211

(could have been born late first quarter and registered in second quarter)

Searching at FreeBMD for Thomas Booth + Ann Smith 1865-1885, your couple could have married in Salford 1874. You would have to get that marriage certificate to start, to check that they married each other and what Ann's age and father's name was.

Hi Marlene - got your PM - always always reply in the thread -- clicking the purple REPLY button up top opens the invisible box.

You said:

Thanks for your reply. I have part of a school leaving document dated 7th September 1895 giving the date of birth as 15th February 1880 but his birth certificate says 14th March 1880 so not sure if I have the right persons cert. Not been able to trace anyhting at all for ann smith.


You have the certificate for the record I posted? It does look like the only likely one.

Another option is that his birth wasn't registered as Booth, say if his parents weren't married. But I'd get the possible Booth-Smith certificate I referred to above and check it out.

Here - you order under only one surname, or if you want to save a bit of money, specify both and they don't charge full price if they don't match.

Marriages Dec 1874
? Booth Thomas Salford 8d 90
GREEN Sarah Salford 8d 90
? Smith Ann Salford 8d 90
SMITH James Salford 8d 90

Basically, Salford = Manchester, I believe.

is this your family

1891

Name: James Booth
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Booth 39 Manchester, Lancashire
Ann Booth 38 Manchester, Lancashire
James Booth 12
Thomas Booth 7
Sarah Booth 5
Mary A Booth 1






1881

Name: James Booth
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Mancr, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Mitchell Brow
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Booth 30
Ann Booth 28 Mancr, Lancashire
Eliz.Ann Booth 3
James Booth 3months
Anne Guest 18 boarder


June x

Looks a good bet that you have found it June,
Dea x

I'm noticing a surname in this household ... is this your James?


1881

Margaret Brindle 55
Christopher Slater 34 - stepson
Rebecca Booth 30 - daughter, widow
Henry Brindle 21
Ann Brindle 26
George Brindle 18
Edward Brindle 15
Henry Booth 6
John Booth 5
James Booth 1 - grandson


... he seems to be the son of Rebecca here ...

added 1881 above

1871 maybe

Name: Ann Smith
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Smith 27 head
Margaret Smith 30
Mary Ellen Smith 7
William Smith 5
Robert Smith 3
Elizabeth Ann Smith 1

William Smith 53 lodger / Durham, England
Ann Smith 18






June x

Here's June's household in 1881:

Thomas Booth 30
Ann Booth 28
Eliz.Ann Booth 3
James Booth
Anne Guest 18

Ah, you edited, June. ;)

Marlene will know why I thought that other 1881 might be interesting!

hello Janey and June
Not sure if ive opened up the right bit, pressed the purple reply button as you said. Thanks so much for your help Ive been so stuck on ann smith and thomas booth for ages without getting anywhere. I think the info you have given me seems probable and I will send off for the marriage cert of 1874 asap. Many thanks for your help

DETAILS OF MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE REQUIRED
SPOUSE PARTNER
SURNAME BOOTH
SURNAME SMITH

FORENAME(S) Thomas
FORENAME(S) Ann

DATE OF MARRIAGE PLACE OF MARRIAGE
DAY
MONTH
YEAR
1874 NAME OF BUILDING, CHURCH OR REGISTER OFFICE AND LOCALITY
Salford St Simon



off lancashirebmd


June x

Got your PM again Marlene. ;) You're welcome! and you did it right - your post is in the thread here.

June's info above shows that the two people did indeed marry each other. So the certificate will tell you their ages and fathers' names and occupations.

Just bring that info back to this thread when you have the certificate if you need more help. You can find the thread anytime by clicking on "My threads" over on the left.