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hi harry smith is my grandad born 1878 all i have is his marriage cert. which reads 1915 harry smith 37 years old general labourer 15 hannell road fulham fathers name william john smith cab driver.
any help please thanks
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1911 Possible?
First names HARRY
First names Algorithm Exact
Last names SMITH
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Birth Year 1878
Birth Year +/- 1 years
Occupation LABOURER
County London
District Fulham
HOUSEHOLD SMITH HARRY M 1878 33 Fulham London
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hi i have harry in 1911, looking for his parents thanks
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hi sorry i forgot to put i think was born in st marylebone, married in fulham
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Hi Veronica,
the date of birth is alittle out on this one, but don't dismiss it yet;
1891 England Census
about William J Smith
Name: William J Smith
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma C
Gender: Male
Where born: Eye, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William J Smith 45 >>>>>> Occupation is Cab Master
Emma C Smith 15 >> Original image states 45 not 15
William A Smith 22
Frank J Smith 21
Emma E Smith 15
Harry J Smith 10 >>>> Born Marylebone
In 1871 and 1881 W J Smith is a Cab Driver living in St Marylebone.
Are the witnesses on the marriage cert any use?
I can't see a marriage for Harry Joseph Smith, so did your Harry drop his middle name???
Dee x
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ok thanks,
witnesses are isabella bryant and L hutchins.
i have harrys marriage was in 1915 in fulham doesnt have him with a middle name.
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Hi Veronica,
So Harry married Florence Amelia Newton...... didn't you think it was strange that both their fathers were Cab Drivers?? It isn't a hard and fast rule, but VERY often sons followed their fathers trades, yet with Harry he is a labourer.
I don't want to pour cold water onto what the certificate states, however i would consider the fact that what was actually put on there may not be the complete truth??
Dee x
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yeah could be, i am just really struggling with this part of family, cant find anything for certain about harry or florences family.
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how do i prove all this census records i have found?
1841 census
francis smith 25 norfolk
1851
francis smith 34 norfolk
margaret a smith 35 suffolk
william smith 6 eye suffolk
1861
francis smith 44 norfolk
margaret a smith 45 suffolk
william j smith 16 eye suffolk
elizabeth 4 yaxley suffolk
1871
william john smith 26 suffolk
emma catherine smith 29 hackney
william alfred smith 3 marylebone
frank john smith 1 marylebone
1881
william john smith 35 eye suffolk
emma catherine smith 35
william alfred smith 12 marylebone
frank john smith 11 marylebone
emma eliza smith 5 marylebone
harry joseph smith marylebone (no age)
1891
william j smith 45 eye suffolk
emma c smith 45 bethnal green
william a smith 22 marylebone
frank j smith 21 ; ;
emma e smith 15 ; ;
harry j smith 10. ; ;
1901
harry smith 25 london
amelia smith 18 london
harry smith 1 london
1911
harry smith 33 marylebone
florence smith 32 willesden
harry smith 10 paddington
florence smith 7 hammersmith
thomas smith 4 hammersmith
emily smith 6 months fulham.
i know a couple of ages and names are different the main one being florence and ameila, but i have florences birth ceert and her middle name is amelia.
just wanted to know if you thought this all seemed correct as i do.
many thanks,
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1911 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Harry
Address: 74 Orbain Road Fulham S W
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SMITH, Harry Head Married M 33 1878 Bricklayer Labourer St Marylebone VIEW
SMITH, Florance Wife Married
12 years F 32 1879 Charwoman Willesden VIEW
SMITH, Harry Son M 10 1901 School Paddington VIEW
SMITH, Florance Daughter F 7 1904 School Hammersmith VIEW
SMITH, Thomas Son M 4 1907 Hammersmith VIEW
SMITH, Emily Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Fulham VIEW
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This census says they have been married 12 years but you say they married in 1915 which of course could be true
Do you have any of the childrens birth certs naming the parents?
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1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Harry
Address: 83, Woodchester Street, Paddington
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SMITH, Harry Head Married M 25 1876 Carman
London VIEW
SMITH, Amelia Wife Married F 18 1883
London VIEW
SMITH, Harry Son M 1 1900
London VIEW
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Ages are quite a bit out???
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all i have is the marriage for florence amelia newton and harry smith in fulham, which was in 1915, harry smith age 37 father william john smith cab driver.
and florence amelia newton 35. father william newton (deceased) hanson cab driver.
also have a birth cert. for florence amelia newton born in 1880 father william joseph newton mother florence newton formerly hooper.
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Harry Smith Name: Harry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1900
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1900
Father's name: Smith Smith
Mother's name: Florence Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
born may 14 1900
abode woodch**** Street
father is a carmen
address matches Jax's 1911
This is how you prove it.
You compare addresses occupations etc.
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Hold it
That cannot be right as your Harry and Florence do not marry toil 1915
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Thats what I said LK......, maybe they Lied about being married or its the wrong couple all together???
Veronica you have florences birth cert and their marriage cert what about any of the children on that 1911 census? do you have any of theirs thats what I was asking
jax
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no i dont have any of there childrens certs, was just goin on that i know my dad was born in 1912 in fulham, i and knew all his brothers and sisters, which are the same names on that 1911 cenus.
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Ok I think I get it now it looks like the correct people but obviously they lied about their marriage date then.
So your mum was a Smith who married a Smith how unfortunate for you
jax
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yeah thats right my mum married a smith, also her sister married a smith. so very difficult to find.
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1841 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Francis
Address: Church Street King's Head Inn, Eye
SMITH, Francis M 25 1816
SMITH, Ann F 26 1815 Suffolk
SMITH, Charles M 8 1833
SNEATH, Samuel M 28 1813
SNEATH, Charles M 22 1819
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about William John Smith Name: William John Smith
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1845
Christening Date: 23 Mar 1845
Christening Place: Eye, Suffolk, England
Father's name: Francis Smith
Mother's name: Margaret Ann
1851 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Francis
Address: Kings Head, Church Street, Eye
SMITH, Francis Head Married M 34 1817 Carrier
Scole Norfolk
SMITH, Margaret A Wife Married F 35 1816 Wife Of Carr Fressingfield Suffolk
SMITH, William Son M 6 1845 Scholar Eye Suffolk
COLE, Emma Visitor F 9 1842 Scholar Eye Suffolk
CASON, Henry Lodger Unmarried M 30 1821 Carrier's Labourer Eye Suffolk
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Elizabeth Ann Smith Name: Elizabeth Ann Smith
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1856
Christening Date: 21 Sep 1856
Christening Place: Eye, Suffolk, England
Father's name: Francis Smith
Mother's name: Margaret Ann
1861 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Francis
Address: Yaxley
SMITH, Francis Head Married M 44 1817 Farmer Of 22 Acres Employing 1 Man 2 Carrier
Scole Norfolk
SMITH, Margaret A Wife Married F 45 1816 Springfield Suffolk
SMITH, William J Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Carrier Eye Suffolk
SMITH, Elizabeth A Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar Yaxley Suffolk
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William John Smith Name: William John Smith
Age: Full Age
cab propieter
abode marylebone
Spouse Name: Emma Catherine Short
Record Type: Marriage
abode south hackney
Marriage Date: 21 Aug 1867
Parish: St John of Jerusalem
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Francis Smith farrier?
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Short publican
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Alfred Smith Name: William Alfred Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Aug 1868
Father's name: William John Smith
Mother's name: Emma Catherine Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Huntsworth Mews
cab propieter
1871 Address: Huntsworth Mews, North, Marylebone
SMITH, Willm John Head M 36 1835 Suffolk
SMITH, Emma Catherine Wife F 27 1844 Middlesex
SMITH, Willm Alfred Son M 2 1869 Middlesex
SMITH, Frank John Son M 1 1870 Middlesex
1881 Address: 8, Huntsworth Mews N, St Marylebone
SMITH, William John Head Married M 35 1846 Cab Proprietor Eye Suffolk
SMITH, Emma Cath Wife Married F 35 1846 Bethnal Green Middlesex
SMITH, William Alf Son Single M 12 1869 Marylebone Middlesex
SMITH, Frank John Son Single M 11 1870 Marylebone Middlesex
SMITH, Emma Eliza Daughter Single F 5 1876 Marylebone Middlesex
SMITH, Harry Jos Son Single M 0 1881 Marylebone Middlesex
1891 Address: 8, Huntsworth Mews North, St Marylebone, London
SMITH, William J Head Married M 45 1846 Cab Master Eye Suffolk
SMITH, Emma C Wife Married F 45 1846 Bethnal Green London
SMITH, William A Son Single M 22 1869 Cab Master Marylebone London
SMITH, Frank J Son Single M 21 1870 Clerk Marylebone London
SMITH, Emma C Daughter Single F 15 1876 Music Teacher Marylebone London
SMITH, Harry J Son M 10 1881 Scholar Marylebone London
poss
Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
-SMITH Emma Catherine 58 Hartismere 4a 592
1911 Address: 74 Orbain Road Fulham S W
SMITH, Harry Head Married M 33 1878 Bricklayer Labourer St Marylebone
SMITH, Florance Wife Married 12 years F 32 1879 Charwoman Willesden
SMITH, Harry Son M 10 1901 School Paddington
SMITH, Florance Daughter F 7 1904 School Hammersmith
SMITH, Thomas Son M 4 1907 Hammersmith
SMITH, Emily Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Fulham
poss
1911 Address: 48 York St Portman Square W
SMITH, William John Head Married M 66 1845 Hackney Carriage Driver Eye Suffolk
SMITH, Louisa Mary Wife Married F 41 1870 Walworth Oney
SMITH, Amy Louisa Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Marylebone London
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1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, William J
Address: Horse Shoes Hotel, Castle Street, Eye
SMITH, William J Head Married M 56 1845 Licensed Victualler
Eye Suffolk
SMITH, Emma Wife Married F 56 1845 London
WILCOCKS, May Servant Single F 22 1879 Barmaid (Domestic)
Harwich Essex
BARFIELD, Lilian Servant Single F 18 1883 Housemaid (Domestic)
Eye Suffolk
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