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Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 10:41

In the 1901 Census, living in Middlesex England Herbert & Rosina Smith have a son called HERBERT born 1901 but I can find no record of his birth, they later had another son Herbert William in 1907, how do I locate the birth and possible death of Herbert born 1901 - his parents were married in Dublin, so perhaps Herbert 1901 was born there, but when did he die?
Any help would be appreciated.

Wildgoose

Wildgoose Report 10 Mar 2010 11:08

Oh, no the dreaded SMITH's!

There is this one??

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Smith Herbert 2 Fulham 1a 182

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 11:15

Thank you wildgoose can you find a record of his birth?

Wildgoose

Wildgoose Report 10 Mar 2010 15:48

Smith Herbert Fulham 1a 333 Mar 1900

this is a possible?

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 15:58

Again thank you wildgoose. I seem to be going round in circles with the dreaded Smiths perhaps you can help with the following:
William Smith 1820 Westhill Herts son of John & Dinah when did he marry Rebecca? 1822 Buntingford Herts When did William die ? when did Rebeca die?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 Mar 2010 16:34

Sandra-
Is this the 1901 Smith family?
1901 Ancestry
Name: Herbert Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rosina
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Enfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Enfield Highway St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Smith 23
Rosina Smith 28
Herbert Smith 7 months
Ann Nicholls 79
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1274; Folio: 13; Page: 17

If so,I don't think they're yours. This couple seems to be Herbert Henry Smith and Rosina Wilkins-married 1900 with son Herbert Robert.

Sorry if I've got the wrong Smiths!

Maureen

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 16:40

Same family 1911:
1911: Edmonton Middlesex
Herbert Henry Smith 1878
Rosina Smith 1872
Herbert Robert Smith 1901

Birth: Dec 1900
Smith Herbert Robert Edmonton 3a 510

Baptism:
Herbert Robert Smith
Date: 21 Oct 1900
Father's Name: Herbert Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Rosina Smith
Parish: St James, Enfield Highway
Borough: Enfield
County: Middlesex

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 16:46

Hello Sandra- can you confirm if Maureen has the correct family in 1901- I don't see another Herbert in 1901 with parents Herbert and Rosina.

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 17:16

Possible Marriage for William Smith:

Marriages Dec 1841 (06 NOV 1841 Layston, Hertford, according to IGI)
CONYARD Rebecca Royston &c 6 975
SMITH William Royston &c 6 975

Royston &c: Hertfordshire, covers areas-Buntingford;Westmill;Aspenden; Layston.

Area and date seems to fit with children born and where they were living in 1851

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 17:20

Rebecca's death (she is on the 1901 census still living in Royston registration district)

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
Smith Rebecca 85 Royston 3a 403

Rebecca's christening (as on IGI familysearch)
03 MAR 1822 Layston, Hertford, England (Buntingford District)
Rebekah Conyard
Father:John Conyard
Mother: Susan


Rebecca is listed as Widow on 1891 census, so William dies between 1881 and 1891:
William's death:

Deaths Sep 1883
Smith William 63 Royston 3a 219

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 17:52

My Herbert JAMES Smith 1876 was maried to ROSINA MARY (Woods) I believe they were married in Dublin 1898 their son Herbert was born June 1900 died Sept. 1902 age 2 - fulham

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 19:10

So this appears to be your family in 1911:
SMITH HERBERT JAMES M 1877 34 Epsom Surrey
SMITH ROSINA MARY F 1877 34 Epsom Surrey - born Dublin, married 1898
SMITH EDWARD GEORGE M 1910 10 MONTHS Epsom Surrey
SMITH FLORENCE CATHERINE F 1906 5 Epsom Surrey
SMITH HENRY JOHN M 1905 6 Epsom Surrey
SMITH HERBERT WILLIAM M 1907 4 Epsom Surrey
SMITH IVY ROSINA F 1904 7 Epsom Surrey
SMITH KATHLEENMAUD M 1909 2 Epsom Surrey


Do you have the 1901 census details for this family? If this is your family, then the 1901 details that Maureen put up for the Middlesex family are not yours-
Are you sure this family had another son called Herbert?

Sandra, Just to put my mind at rest, can you put the 1901 details you have for this family.

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 19:37

Thank you for your help in locating Rebecca & William I have been looking on 'find my past' and could not find them.

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 19:40

Sandra, can you put the 1901 details of your Herbert and Rosina up- I can't see them, and have a feeling you may be confusing your family with the middlesex family that Maureen put up.

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 20:02

It looks as though you are right, I have got the wrong family, the 1911 census above is correct.
the only other details I have are
1901 census Herbert Smith married/a border at 26 Greenfield St. Essex
1901 census Rosina /Smith married/a visitor at 3 Collingwood Rd. Essex.
They do state on the 1911 census they have 7 children all living (then went on to have 10 children altogether)
I am a beginner to family history and have been looking on 'find my past' and not found the information you have.
I am having trouble locating Rosina (Woods) family because she was born in Ireland.

What sites do you suggest?
Any help would be appreciated.

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 21:06

Rebecca Clayton 1822 married Wiliam Smith I can find no record of her in the census returns until 1851 when she is married to William Smith
Can anyone find her in the 1841 census?
Can anyone find her parents John & ~Susan Conyard?
Can anyone help find the maiden name for Dinah ? (1796) married to John Smith (1796) approximately 1817

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 21:19

Rebecca Clayton- where did the Clayton come from?

This is Rebecca CONYARD (that married William Smith) with Susan in 1841:
Hertfordshire, Layston, District 17, Buntingford and Royston
Susan Conyard 65 born -Hertfordshire
Rebecca Conyard 20 born- Hertfordshire

Remember in the 1841 census all ages were rounded up or down.

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 21:26

Sorry I should have typed Conyard my mistake

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Mar 2010 21:46

How did you find them in the1841 census ? I cannot find them

Gritty

Gritty Report 10 Mar 2010 22:02

On Ancestry- the name is mistranscibed as congerd- although the original image says Conyard.