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Stories have been handed down of my grandmothers grandmother being of gypsy decent.. her name being Rossela Milton nee Smith b1828 born in Chatham..but later living in Folkestone Kent.. and when my grandmother was a child they would hide gypsies in tunnels behind the fire place (the tunnels were there from smuggling days).. I have not been able to susbstantiate this story.. can anyone help
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Could this be her marriage? The cert might give some info
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Hart William Elham 5 279
Hopkins Frances Elham 5 279
Ladd Henry Swain Elham 5 279
>>>>>Milton William Abbot Elham 5 279
Ralph Elizabeth Frances Elham 5 279
>>>>>>Smith Rosalia Elham 5 279
Williams William Elham 5 279
Andy
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Hi Michelle
These are off familysearch.org which is free to search.
They are all from the same batch of records
Rosella
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 JUL 1826 Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
parents:
Father: William Smith
Mother: Oliff
Eleanor Sarah
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 MAR 1827 Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: William Smith
Mother: Eleanor
Margaret Charlotte
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 25 SEP 1825 Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: Richard Smith
Mother: Charlotte
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Title Bishop's transcripts for Chatham, 1718-1837
Authors Church of England. Parish Church of Chatham (Kent) (Main Author)
Notes Microfilm copy of original manuscript in the Kent Archives Office, Maidstone, England.
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Kent Archives Office nos.: DRB/RT1/85/1-10, DRB/RT2/85/1-30.
WILLIAM SMITH
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: OLIFF HARRISON
Marriage: 08 NOV 1824 Saint Nicholas, Rochester, Kent, England
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Parish registers for St. Nicholas' Church, Rochester, 1624-1875
Authors Church of England. St. Nicholas' Church (Rochester, Kent) (Main Author)
Notes Microfilm of original records in the Kent Archives Office, Maidstone.
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Target boards are numbered "Items 1-9, 9-16, 16-24, and 1-6."
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Well they don't seem to have moved around alot if they were gypsies.
On all the censu records they seem to be in same area and in 1881 Edgar there son was a scholar,would children of Gypsies gone to school!!!.
William her husband was a fisherman/marriner.
Maryb
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Family from 1851 census?
Cannot read the occupations
EDIT could be fisherman as 1881 above
1851 England Census
about William Millon
Name: William Millon
[William Milton]
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Spouse's name: Rosella
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England
Civil parish: Folkestone
Town: Folkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Millon 60
Elizabeth Millon 55
Joseph Millon 24
William Millon 21
Rosella Millon 23
Elizabeth Taylor 11
Andy
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It's not the easiest site to use, but Medway Cityark has scaned images of original parish registers. As you don't know the church you would have to check through them all. I know they definitely cover the Chatham area.
Smith is a known traveller name but you would have to look at William's occupation to get some sort of clue as to whether he was a traveller or not.
"The following occupations were commonly practised by Gypsies, who provided goods and services to local communities in the course of their travels. The terms dealer and general dealer were frequently used by Gypsies from the late 19th century, but the terms were also used to describe other traders and shopkeepers. A marine store dealer was a dealer in scrap materials.
hawker, licensed hawker, pedlar
basket maker, mat maker, beehive maker, brush maker, chair bottomer, sieve bottomer
tinker, tinman, razor grinder, knife grinder
dealer, general dealer, marine store dealer, wardrobe dealer
peg maker, umbrella mender, chimney sweep, horse dealer"
However, he could co-incidentally have one of those occupations!!
If I've found the right Rossela Smith on the 1861 - she's down as Rosalie Milton - she didn't appear to stay in the community (if she was ever in it!) as her husband was a mariner.
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1841 - Oliver is actually a female so this is probably Oliff
1841 England Census
about Rosalie Smith
Name: Rosalie Smith
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England
Civil parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Smith 55
Oliver Smith 37
Rosalie Smith 14
Jesse Smith 10
Sarah Smith 9
Eliza Smith 2
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1861 census
Name William Milton
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1829
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Fisherman
Address 35, East Street
District Elham, Folkestone
Parish Folkestone
Administrative County Kent
Birth Place Folkestone
Birth County Kent
in house
william head 32
rosa wife 34
RG 9 / 551
1871 census
Name William Milton
Age 43
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Address East Street
District Elham, Folkestone
Parish St Mary
Administrative County Kent
Birth Place Kent
Birth County Kent
in house
william head 43 ( fisherman )
rose wife 44
RG 10 / 1014
1881 census
Name William Milton
Age 52
Estimated Year of Birth 1829
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Fisherman
Address 7, Imperial Terrace
District Elham, Folkestone
Parish Folkestone Town
Administrative County Kent
Birth Place Folkestone
Birth County Kent
in house
william A head 52
rosalie wife 53
laura daughter 18
elizabeth daughter 18
robert son 16
edgar son 14
jesse son 11
esther f baker neice 3
RG 11 / 1010
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1891 census
Name Rosalie Milton
Age 63
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Mariner
Address 3, Little Fenchurch Street
District Elham, Folkestone
Parish Folkestone
Administrative County Kent
Birth Place Chatham
Birth County Kent
in house
william a head 64 ( mariner )
rosalie wife 63
robert son 25
esther baker grandaughter 13
RG 12 / 748
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