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I have asked for help on a thead that I have revised with no response, so asking for an individual search.
Information already gathered...
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1216662
LadyKira found 2 Elizabeth Smith daughters, born 1865 and 1867. My Great Great Aunt Elizabeth (Lizzie Cason) was born 1865. To have a second Elizabeth born just a year or 2 later and named the same seems incorrect, but the record was found.
I have just returned to the 1881 census, and there is only 1 Elizabeth Smith, aged 5. There is no record of another Elizabeth Smith that I can find.
Can someone please help me sort this out.
Thanks.

I have copied this from the 'parent' thread..

Based on the 1911 census where Henry listed 14 children born, 7 living, 7 died.
I have living at the time..
Eliza (Fish)
Harriett (Town)
Elizabeth (Lizzie Cason)
Alice (Coomber)
Alfred
John
Henry

Children to have died before 1911
Frederick
George
Emma
Caroline

That leaves 3 more children to find, but I can't seem to find them. I know the Middlesex parish records aren't up to date for that period unfortunately.
Any ideas where to search or if anyone can help please.


If there were 2 Elizabeth's recorded as daughters of Henry and Eliza, then Elizabeth 2 may be another of the deceased children Henry listed in 1911. She would have been 3-4 yrs old in the 1871 census, and is not listed at home with her family. Possible she may have been at another relatives house, but can't find an Elizabeth listed as a visitor or non daughter relative.

1911 census -
Address: 30 Church Hill Road Homerton
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 70 1841 Retired Grocer London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married
51 years F 70 1841 Assisting In The Business London Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 50 1861 Potman Li Victualler London Homerton VIEW
TOWN, Harriett H Daughter Widow F 36 1875 Packer Sorter In Laundry London Homerton VIEW
TOWN, Charles Grandson M 4 1907 London W Hth VIEW
CASON, Lillian Elizabeth Visitor Single F 18 1893 London Homerton


Personal note:- John Town, husband of Harriett must have died between 1908 and 1911. Lillian born 1908, Harriett listed as widow 1911 census.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 13, The Grove, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head M 60 1841 Grocer's Shop Keeper
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife F 60 1841
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son M 40 1861 Plasterers Labourer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter F 26 1875 Packer & Sorter In Laundry
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter F 20 1881 Packer & Sorter In Laundry
Homerton
London VIEW
CASON, Lilian Grand Daughter F 8 1893
Homerton
London

1891 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 13, The Grove, Hackney, South Hackney

SMITH, Henry Head Married M 50 1841 Grocer
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 50 1841
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 30 1861 Cheese Monger
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 29 1862 Waiter
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Lizzie Daughter Single F 25 1866 Boot Machinist
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 15 1876 Errand Boy
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Homerton
London

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 52, Brook Street, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 40 1841 Shopkeeper
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1841
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 19 1862 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Helps In Shop
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Single F 0 1881
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

1871 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: Brook St, St John Hackney (7 Brook St. per original image)
SMITH, Henry Head M 30 1841 Middlesex VIEW (GENERAL SHOPKEEPER as per original image).
SMITH, Eliza Wife F 30 1841 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son M 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1866 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Caroline Daughter F 2 1869 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Emma Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex

1861 census

2 Digby St. Bethnal Green

SMITH, Henry Head 19 labour(er) Bethnal Green
SMITH, Eliza Wife 19 Tailoress Bethnal Green
SMITH, Henry Son 7 months Bethnal Green

Living next door to Frederick Smith, father.
Also mother Eliza, Stepbrother William, and brother John.

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 14 Sep 1865
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 May 1867
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Address & Brook street as with Elizabeth above


This is the conflicting record.

Wendy

Neither of those births for Elizabeth have the fathers as a 'grocer'


Edit; Right I see on the 61 he is a labourer

Well those two baps are the same couple as Henry is a Twine Spinner.

HMMMM.
Well I know that Elizabeth Smith was the sister to Eliza Smith, who was my great grandmother.
I can only see 1 Elizabeth in all records.
Let me go back to the other thread and see what is there that might help.

Name: Harriet Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 Nov 1874
Father's Name: Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

father is rope maker same address

Now this conflicts with all of the census data...Henry was not a rope maker..he was a shopkeeper.
Yet 'my' Harriett was born 1874.

OOOOO, just had a thought.............
LK found
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 14 Sep 1865

and...

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 May 1867


Of course...they are BAPTISM records, not birth dates.
The first Elizabeth could have died shortly after, and the very next child they named Elizabeth again.....'my' Elizabeth.

Is it possible to find a death for Elizabeth in the time frame?

I may have got lost here but you have Elizabeth as Mrs Cason but on 1911 census it shows Harriet as Widow Cason. ??

WTF????
Oh crap, I am sooo bad. That's what I get for trying to cook dinner and respond on here at same time.
When LK added the data to the old thread, it was JASON, and I immediately presumed it should have been CASON.
I have just had a close look at my copy, and it is TOWN.
Will correct the data.
So sorry.

Caroline's bap Henry is a Twine Spinner living 7 Brook St.

What is going on????

Duplicate family ?? LOL

Most definitely have Caroline Smith living with her father Henry Smith, shopkeeper, at 7 Brook St.
Just double checked the census, and added the information on here.

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Wendy
I did not mean start another new thread. I meant add the info from your other threads onto your original one. so I coud use all the information found for you.