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please helpi have the smith family or part of them at 93 sherlock street birmingham sam and alice they married 1902 and according to the census have had 2 children 1 still alive 1dead the living child is my grandmother ruth but shes not at the house and i cant find her the other we knew nothing about i have looked at the births and deaths but there are hundreds is there any quick way to find the dead child or do i just have to give up on the little mite thanks

FOR REFERENCE

1911 census transcription details for: 93 Sherlock Street Birmingham
National Archive Reference: RG14PN18128 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED25 SN108

Reg. District: Birmingham Sub District: St Martin
Parish: Birmingham Enum. District: 25
Address: 93 Sherlock Street Birmingham County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
SMITH, Samuel Head Married
9 years M 32 1879 Finisher Warwickshire Aston
SMITH, Alice May Wife Married
9 years F 28 1883 Warwickshire B Ham

sorry i ran out of room 9/2/1905 (edited)

yes thats them

Sorry, Zena. Can't find Ruth at all, very strange. As for the child that died, as you say there are hundreds. Sorry to be no help at all.

the only one i could find was at 24 court house bissell st birmingham but it says she is the daughter of ruth and thomas attwood what do you think?????

so one of these?

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
Smith Ruth Birmingham 6d 201
Smith Ruth Rebecca Birmingham 6d 60

probably but i got my copy from my dad so i didnt order it. ruth is my nan

im also watching the emily townsend thread as thats alice mays mothers name

Just to note, the Emily Townsend in that thread was born 1881 and the Emily Townsend who was Alice May's mother would have been a generation older.

That Emily's father was Arthur.

Name: Arthur Townsend
Age: 54 in 1901
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Spouse's name: Almo S
Where born: Allesley, Warwickshire, England

(Actually, see later in that thread, if Arthur was Emily's father, he wasn't married to Alma; Emily was registered as Scott.)


Actually, your Emily was a Townsend by marriage only. But your Alice May and her father were Townsend.

1901 in Birmingham:

Henry Lownsend 56 - it says Townsend, of course
Emily Lownsend 61
Alice M Lownsend 19
Charles Lownsend 17

If you subscribe to Ancestry you should correct that mistake to Townsend -- on the left side of any of their records, there is a link that says "Add Alternate Information". People could then contact you through that site. If you don't, one of us could correct it for you.

Edit - I'll correct it; as per below, that is a coincidental Alice M Townsend with mother Emily and not the one for this thread. Have deleted irrelevant info about Henry.

sorry yes your right emily was born 1860ish. But thats not her. Alice may's father was charles he left them so didnt appear on any census with emily or alice. you'll find him in australia

I have found youtree on Ancestry Zena and you have Alice's father as

charles viner townsend
birth
1856
in Birmingham, West Midlands, England, United Kingdom Death

1937
in five dock N S W


Spouse & Children emily hodson (1860-) alice may townsend (1882-1962)


Age: 5 Residence
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England 1 source citation Hide source citations 1861 England Census 1871

Age: 15 Residence
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England 1 source citation Hide source citations 1871 England Census 1881

Age: 25 Residence
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England 1 source citation Hide source citations 1881 England Census 1930

Age: 74 Residence
Five Dock, Martin, New South Wales, Australia 1 source citation Hide source citations Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 1933

Age: 77 Residence
Drummoyne, Martin, New South Wales, Australia 1 source citation Hide source citations Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 1936

Age: 80 Residence
Five Dock, Martin, New South Wales, Australia 1 source citation Hide source citations Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954 1937

Age: 81 Death
five dock N S W
1937

Age: 81 Residence
Five Dock, Martin, New South Wales, Australia


Can you tell us how you got there because I cannot find things tying up.

death certificate that alice handed down to us and a chance hot match with his new family in australia

Another tree has her as Ruth M T Smith.

I am just finding a lack of records to back things up.

What does it say?

Do you have Alice May's marriage certificate stating a father and/or birth certificate stating parents?

She's this one

Births Sep 1880
TOWNSEND Alice May Aston 6d 252

and the other one

Births Jun 1882
Townsend Alice May Birmingham 6d 47

is the false trail I was on in 1901, I presume?

Or were Charles and Emily not married? I don't see a marriage. In which case was Alice May not registered as Townsend? Can you show us where she is in a census before marriage? - 'cause I can't find her.


For that matter, where is the marriage of Samuel Smith and Alice? You said 1902; is that just taken from the 1911 census and you don't actually have the marriage record?

"probably but i got my copy from my dad so i didnt order it. ruth is my nan"

Yes, but what does the copy of the birth certificate *say*? Is she Ruth, Ruth Rebecca or something else? (For clarity, "09/02/1095 is 9 February and not September 2, right?) And what are the full names of the parents?

Can you tell us whom she married, please?

How do you know the 1911 address is right? There are several Ruths but all with parents, So perhaps Samuel and Alice May are wrong. Or do you have definite records. I have just spent hours looking and not finding anything.

sorry i was so tied i couldnt see the screen i have birth marriage and death certificates for ruth born 2/9/1905 she marrided william lewis27/7 1927 as ruth mary theresa and died 25,4/1969 as ruth lewis. birth 1882 marriaged1902 to sam smith and death 1962 for alice may. birth1856 marriagedemily hodson1881 and death1937 for charles viner townsend and i think i found him going to australia on ship records
. sorry i have tried to give full info didnt mean to keep any back

ninth feb 1905 back 87 george street west ruth father samuel smith mother alice may smith formally townsend.
birmingham ladywood county of warwick