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Trying to find my Grandfather who lived/worked in Somerset as an Electrical Engineer where he had an affair with my Nan (he was married)then he moved to Ealing where my father was born (in 1938). Unfortunately can only guess Alan was born around 1900 but don't know where etc. Anybody recognise???

There are only 2 Alan Leslie's born between 1890 and 1910 in free bmd
http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
see what you think.
Unlikely that anyone connected will see your message, so have you also looked for Alan Leslie in members' trees, by searching on this site.

I wonder, are you sure of the spelling of Alan? The two that patchem refers to were born in Prescot and Barrow in Furness.

Actually, I don't see any others spelled any other way, though. ;)

An Alan W P Leslie born 1915 in Edmonton reg dist, possibly?


This is the death of the one born in Barrow in Furness:

Name: Alan Leslie
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1987
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: West Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 2050

And this is the 1915 one:

Name: Alan Walter P Leslie
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1915
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1998
Age at death (estimated): 83
Registration district: Exeter
Inferred County: Devon
Register number: A58F
District and Subdistrict: 4081A
Entry number: 88

(There's a marriage in Barrow in Furness in 1936 without the middle initials, with births following in 1938 and 1942, so that one seems unlikely.)


Other marriages around the possible time (that don't seem to be for people born too early or too late):

Allan Leslie - Tessler Jul-Aug-Sep 1932 London City
Allan C M Leslie - De Fonblanque Or Cattley Apr-May-Jun 1932 Kensington (born 1881)
Alan Leslie - Atkin Oct-Nov-Dec 1917 Holborn

This one is interesting in 1901 -- just thinking from a class perspective:

Name: Alan D Leslie
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's name: Oscar D Leslie
Mother's name: Florence A Leslie
Where born: St Peters, Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Peter Intra
County/Island: Kent

Oscar D Leslie 41 - secretary to public company
Florence A Leslie 39
Alan D Leslie 1
Harriet F Farrell 24
Fanny F V Jamieson 19

Births Sep 1899 ??
Leslie Male Thanet 2a 1004


Ruled out. He died in 1930 in Wandsworth. Will leave it here as ruled out. ;)

Is this about someone called Alan Leslie Smith? as its in the Smith surname board

jax

There is no birth to match tihs death:

Name: Allan Leslie
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 13
Page: 0512


An engineer ... is it possible he was Scottish?

Oh ... my ... who knows, eh, jax? So many people don't read the instructions ...

Like *sticking around to answer questions*.

There's only one choice if that's the case

Births Jun 1906
Smith Alan Leslie Barton I. 8c 677

And I see now that while I saw the thread when patchem replied, the post itself was 9 hours ago, so even if Jane did wait around, there was nothing to give feedback on. ;)

Or looking to see if it makes sense. I surpose thats one good thing about the surname filter now ....in a way

jax

Unfortunately the surname filter only kicked in after I posted, and assumes I do not just reverse out from the boards so do not see it at all.
Well, if the snow is too thick I could try and look for him in 1911, not go to work, but think I had better try a liittle walk for now.
(Prescot and Barrow are no worse than Barton?)
(Why did no-one reply for 9 hours?)

Thanks to everyone - no reply for so long is called having two children and a memory like a sieve!
He is DEFINATELY Alan Leslie Smith as I have my fathers birth certificate and his name and occupation are on there and an address in Ealing.
I have several - one born in 1900, 1901,1906,1911 but not sure which is him as I have no age or area of birth - I was just hoping someone else may recognise the name! I posted about him so long ago I did not think it would still be here! Sorry!

Actually, Jane, you posted this one yesterday. ;)

It is a duplicate (not allowed) of your 2009 post:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1117582

which you'll see has the subject line "Alan Leslie Smith". On this one, it says "Alan Leslie". No one can see the name in the surname line, Smith, and you didn't mention it in your message. It's just that now, with the changes to the board last month, the surname appears in the URL for the thread. ... Except that today it doesn't seem to (edit - but once I posted in it again, there it was -- that's why patchem didn't see it at first) ... One never knows what one will wake up to here these days.


Click on Trying to Find on the left and then click on Remove this Filter above the list on the left. That's the complete board where we are reading the thread.

After 1969, complete names are given in the deaths index. Before that, it's given name and middle initial.

There are 10 Alan Leslie Smith deaths after 1969. There are birthdates
1902 (Allan Leslie) Hereford 1988
1911 (Alan Leslie) Hackney 2005
1902 (Allan Leslie S) Mid Warwickshire 1988

So if your ALS isn't one of them, he died before 1969. The only possible is
c1894 (Alan L Smith) Hillingdon 1968

The only Alan Leslie Smith I can find in the births index is this one:

Births Jun 1906
Smith Alan Leslie Barton I. 8c 677

There are also these three:

Births Jun 1894
Smith Allan Leslie King's N. 6c 395 (died 1968 Hillingdon)

Births Mar 1902
Smith Allan Leslie Ross 6a 478 (died 1988 Hereford)
Smith Allan Leslie S Hendon 3a 204 (died 1988 Mid Warwickshire)

and

Births Mar 1911
Smith Alan L W. Ham 4a 371 (likely died Hackney 2005)


I can't see a 1901 or 1906 birth (or death of an Al*n L or Leslie born 1906).


That last one -- born 1911 West Ham, died 2005 Hackney, almost seems most likely, except that it looks like he stayed put.

This is him in the 1911 census:

SMITH ALLAN L 1911 2 MONTHS West Ham Essex
living with
SMITH FLORENCE 1871 40
SMITH LLEWELLYN 1871 40
SMITH LLEWELYN H 1905 6
SMITH VICTOR W 1906 5
SMITH BARBARA L 1908 3

I don't subscribe for details. Maybe someone who does will tell us the father's occupation, for instance. (Please, not the entire copy & paste of all the minute great long details of the census record!)


What I would do is get death certificates, rather than birth certificates. I believe a death certificate might state an occupation.

Perhaps also marriage certificates, which would definitely state occupation.

This is the 1902 Herefordshire one, who does seem to have stayed put, so maybe rule him out for now:

Marriages Sep 1932
Smith Alan L - Meadham Ross 6a 1275

This is the 1902-1988 Hendon/Mid Warwickshire one, a possibility?

Marriages Jun 1932
Smith Allan L S - Taylor Paddington 1a 39

There are other Al*n L Smith marriages, of course. Not a huge number.

This is Allan L S Smith 1902-1988 in 1911:

SMITH ALLAN LESLIE SLAVEY 1902 9 Conway Carnarvonshire
living with
SMITH AGNES MAUD 1871 40
SMITH CHRISTINE MARY 1905 6

parents:

Marriages Sep 1892
Slaney Agnes Maud Fulham 1a 457
SMITH James Fulham 1a 457

In 1901 James is a Draper (employer) in Wembley, Middlesex (Agnes born Richmond Surrey per 1891 census). One person has Agnes in his tree here at GR.

I'm kind of liking that one.


Since you know your ALS was married, I really would suggest getting a marriage certificate or two from the right time period to see whether one matches on the occupation!

Wow thanks Janey - I do have a lot of those but not all - he is definately Alan with one L so that rules some out - the problem is we only have one picture of him taken about the time of my Dads birth (1938) and we guesstimate he is late 30's so that is why I am basing my investigations around 1900 - the 1911 one seems most likey but that would only make him 27 in the photo which seems too young - I will look into some of the others you have listed - as you say I need to start paying for some marriage/death certs to find out for sure.
I also have found two that died in the war which is highly likely that he went off to war and never came back - we never did find out the whole story!
Can you get death certs for those that died in the war?

Thanks and sorry I am so slow at getting back on here - too much snow closing the schools!
Jane

We saw a photo in a newspaper of someone just married, age 20. in the 1930's. My husband estimated him at age mid-thirties. They looked a lot older back then (!).

Jane, do read through the lists of names I posted again -- you'll see a couple, I think, that varied the number of "L"s during their lifetimes.

It may also have been someone else who wrote his name for the birth certificate, who may have made an assumption about the spelling.

I searched for Smith, A.L., at the CWGC site

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14#

and I see one Alan Leslie Smith:

Name: SMITH, ALAN LESLIE
Initials: A L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 622 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 21/07/1944
Service No: 150429
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot R Row 2 Grave 57.
Cemetery: TILBURG (GILZERBAAN) GENERAL CEMETERY

No age or next of kin, unfortunately. Did you find a second one I've missed?

From the lists of births, marriages and deaths, it might be possible to narrow down which one that is likely to be. Of course, it's equally if not more likely to be an Alan L Smith born after 1911 (e.g. born 1912 would make him 32 in 1944).

I agree with patchem too -- a pic of my dad when he was about 19, around 1950, in a suit and tie and hat, if you can imagine -- you'd take him for 30. ;)

I'd certainly invest in a couple of marriage/death certificates to see whether the info matches what you know about your Alan. And let us know. ;)

Jane

One more possibility – with a Somerset connection:

Births 3Q 1905
Keynsham Vol. 5c Page 548
Smith, Leslie Allan

It was not unknown for people to “reverse” forenames and, as Janey says, the way a name was spelt can vary, especially in official records.

Especially if you have had an affair and an illegitimate son and don't want to be traced - good point!

Excellent suggestion.

Name: Leslie Allan Smith
Birth Date: 29 May 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: 1979
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Gwent
Volume: 28
Page: 1337

matches if the birth was registered a tad late -- and that's the only match in births.

Marriages, none in Somerset, too many others to guess.


1911

SMITH LESLIE ALLAN 1905 6 Keynsham
SMITH ALLAN MOUNTJOY 1880 31
SMITH LOUISA 1881 30

Sounds like the right class. ;) Can anybody check out the father's occupation?

Marriages Sep 1902
Carter Louisa Devizes 5a 217
Smith Alan Mountjoy Devizes 5a 217

Another instance of spelling shift.

Well ... ;) --1901:

Name: Allen M Smith
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Biddestone, Wiltshire, England
Occupation: Gardener (domestic)

Civil Parish: Brislington
Town: Brislington
County/Island: Somerset
Registration district: Keynsham

Allan Mountjoy Smith was a Gardener in 1911. Living at 42 Manworthy Road, Brislington.