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I don't know if this helps but Sarah and Robert's next child, after the twins, was Robert Pettigrew born 27/03/1864, Square, Willington, Wallsend, Northumberland. So I suspect that they did not move down towards Durham City until later?
Carole

Hi Carole,
, Have you found Robert and Jane on the 1871?

Regards V

Hi Carole,
Will try that is all I can say !!!! :-)


Regards Vera

Vera
I frankly don't know quite where to go next. You have probably gathered that I am not seeking Purvises for their own sake. They are peripheral to the main event but may help me find out more about the Murdochs, the Hislops/Heslops and the Montgomerys. David married a Purvis ... A Purvis was a witness when Robert and Jane finally married?
The story so far is involved and would take pages to write. I already know quite a lot so there is no point asking for help unravelling it.
If you would really like to help, there are two vital questions which you could explore for me?
Jane Hislop, Heslop, Montgomery, Murdoch, Pettigrew or whatever she was calling herself at the time, is missing from the 1861 census in both England and Scotland!! So is Robert Murdoch Montgomery 1869; acknowledged by her husband as his, but possibly Robert Murdoch's child??
Jane reappears in Jarrow in Jan. 1862 on the birth certificates of her twin daughters Sarah and Margaret. They were registered as Pettigrew, daughters of Robert Pettigrew (actually Robert Murdoch, Pettigrew was his mother's maiden name), and Jane Pettigrew formerly Heslop.
This Jane is almost certainly the runaway mother of David Montgomery 1862. from Tranent Scotland. So much points to this being so but if I could just discover her whereabouts in 1861 I think it would clinch it? So if you fancy endless look ups under all those names you might spot something I have missed. You do seem to have a facility for making unusual but accurate connections.
The other question can wait for now!!!
Carole

Hi Carole,
I think Isabella Cuthbertson nee Hislop is the Aunt of David Montgomery...on page 6 on your thread David is living with them.

I have deleted the part that I said David was Isabella sister....obviously that
is wrong....he is her nephew.


Yes, it was Ann.

Regards Vera

Hello Vera
Nice to see you again.
Yes Andrew Hislop was Jane's much younger brother.
But ... have you noticed where David Montgomery 1852, was lodging at the time of the 1871 census?? With a William CUTHBERTSON and his wife Isabella.
I am looking to find if the Cuthbertsons might be related to the Montgomerys or Hislops.
I know we debunked JOHN Purvis ... but that doesn't stop him being related to Thomas Purvis, so Aunty Cuthbertson (was it Ann?) could still be in the picture and could have been the link that brought David and Elizabeth together?
What think you? Am I being fanciful?
Carole

Hi Carole,
How else can I help you.?

Regards Vera

1841 Scotland

Christopher Hislop
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Gender: Male
Where born: East Lothian, Scotland

Civil Parish: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: North Street
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 722
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Hislop 38
Christopher Hislop 43
Isabella Hislop 18
Janet Hislop 3
Margaret McLeod 62



Regards Vera

Scotland 1861

I wonder if this is Jane brother...

Andrew Hislop
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Christopher
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Tranent, Haddington
Registration Number: 722
Registration district: Tranent
Civil Parish: Tranent
Town: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: Church Street
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1861_135
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Hislop 57
Andrew Hislop 18
Christopher Hislop 67 Labourer
Christopher M Hislop 2

Regards Vera

1871 Scotland

David Montgomery
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Registration Number: 722
Registration district: Tranent
Civil Parish: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: Church St
Occupation: Carter
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 100
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1871_173
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Cuthbertson 46
John Cuthbertson 8
William Cuthbertson 55 Coal Miner
David Montgomery 19 Carter


Look there are some Cuthbertsons !!!!

Regards Vera

Hi Carole,
Not sure if you want this...

Scotland 1861

David Montgomery
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Tranent, Haddington
Registration Number: 722
Registration district: Tranent
Civil Parish: Tranent
Town: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: Church Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 80
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_135
Household Members: Name Age
David Montgomery 9
Helen Reid 68


Regards Vera

Hi Carole, Just read your thread...not to worry......I did the self same thing a few years ago.... went up the wrong tree.


Regards Vera

One witness is almost illegible as it has been crossed through. I will see if my husband can enhance the image.
The other is an Andrew Hislop. It is significant to the whole story but it is frightfully complicated.
(Suffice to say that he is somehow related to David Montgomery's Scottish mother Jane Heslop, who ran away and left husband and children when David was about 8. She joined her lover, a Robert Murdoch and they had five children in Jarrow and Willington: both Northumberland and Durham Willingtons ... whilst using the name Petticrew. Jane and Robert finally married in 1886 and guess who was a witness at THEIR wedding ... one Henry Purvis.)
The above may become relevant but for the present it is confusing.
Carole

Carole - I'm gonna have to call it a night!
Off to Kent tomorrow - about 200 mile drive.
I'll look back in again on Monday when I return

Good luck! Happy Hunting
Christine x

It is going to take me a bit of time to catch up. I am quite a few posts behind you!!

Yes, Elisabeth could have fibbed about her age on the marriage certificate but if she did she went on fibbing; as subsequent Scottish census records show her as ONE year younger than her husband!
It is not impossible that she went on fibbing but I'm not sure she was clever enough to keep it up? She couldn't write her name on her marriage cert.
Carole

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
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Jackson Julia Durham 24 82
Mole Thomas Durham 24 82
PURVIS Thomas Durham &c 24 82
RICHARDSON Ann Durham &c 24 82

marriage for Thomas & Julia????
Christine

Hi Christine
Didn't know you were back.
I have been doing a bit of research myself.
I know that Sunnybrow village is three quarters of a mile from Willington and about three miles from Bishop Auckland.
I also know that Willington Colliery was also known as Sunnybrow Colliery. Perhars that is where Thomas Purvis worked?
Yes please ... I would love some help. I will just go through what you have already turned up.
Carole

Name: Thomas Provos
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: N Bedcook, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Iveston
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed)
Sub registration district: Tanfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Provos 3
Joseph Provos 14 ((actual image could be 4))
Julia Provos 37
Mary Ann Provos 7 Mo
Thomas Provos 36

1851
Christine

Name: Thomas Purvis
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 88 (click to see others on page)


Name: Julia Purvis
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 59
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 160 (click to see others on page)

their deaths
can't find Julia in 1871
Christine

Name: Elizabeth Purvis
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Brancepeth, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Crook With Billy Row
Ecclesiastical parish: Crook
Town: Sunnyside
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Auckland
Sub registration district: Hamsterley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Purvis 12
Frank Purvis 25
Jane Purvis 22
John T Purvis 2
William Purvis 1 month

1871
Christine