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Madeleine Report 14 Jan 2009 16:17

I have a Mary Ann Golding who was born in France. She married a William Ricketts in Bethnal Green in 1837. Does anyone know how to attempt to start to trace her origins in France, please?

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was plain ann now annielaurie Report 14 Jan 2009 20:22

As records in France are held locally rather than nationally, you would need to know where she was born.


Madeleine Report 6 Jan 2013 14:36

Thank you. Haven't been on Genes for a while! Madeleine :-)


MarieCeleste Report 6 Jan 2013 14:46

Hello Madeleine, what year of birth do you have for her?

It's not a very French name, perhaps she was of a British family?


wisechild Report 6 Jan 2013 15:01

Have you any idea how old she was when she married?
My 3xg grandfather was in the army during the Napoleonic War. He married in France in 1816 & his eldest son was born there in 1817 & baptised by the Army chaplain. However when the family returned to England, they had him baptised again in their local church at the same time as a couple of his siblings.
Worth looking at the Parish Records if you know where the family lived.


brummiejan Report 6 Jan 2013 15:04

Madeleine, do you have them on a census please? Not seeing them, at least not with a Mary born in France!

EDIT have them - just for ref:

1861 England Census
Name: Mary A Ricketts
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wm Ricketts
Gender: Female
Where born: Fra Brit Sub

Civil parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road

Wm Ricketts 29
Mary A Ricketts 39



MarieCeleste Report 6 Jan 2013 15:39

Either the ages on that census are wrong, or it's the wrong marriage - William would only have been 5!

FMP have them both as 39, can anyone else take a look at the image and see what they think?

RICKETTS, Wm Head Married M 39 1822 Writer & Grainer Berwick on Tweed
RICKETTS, Mary A Wife Married F 39 1822 France Brit Sub

Piece: 252 Folio: 145 Page: 6
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green

Address: 15, Warner Place, Bethnal Green, London County: London

They'd still have been very young ......


rootgatherer Report 6 Jan 2013 16:05

Name: William Ricketts
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Golding
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 May 1837
Parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses Edward Green and Sarah Callow.

William, Mary Ann and Edward all signed and Sarah made her mark.


wisechild Report 6 Jan 2013 16:12

Did she have a sister called Eliza Ann who married David Garrod 18.8.1839.
London Marriages shows father as Henry Golding, a grocer & both give address of 4 Derbyshire Street.


brummiejan Report 6 Jan 2013 16:28

Having checked 1861 image, the ages are almost impossible to read, especially William's.


MarieCeleste Report 6 Jan 2013 16:37

Thing is, I can't find them on any other census, especially not the 1851 which I'd expect if that 1837 marriage is correct (and I have doubts).

I'm struggling to find a William Ricketts of any age who is a writer & grainer from Berwick upon Tweed. Or anyone else of that name in the signwriting/decorating trade.

I wonder how Madeleine got back to them. Some further info would be useful, especially if she got the name of Golding from a child's birth certificate.


wisechild Report 6 Jan 2013 16:41

There are several Mary Ann Goldings who got married in London around 1837 (+or- a couple of years)
Is Madeline sure she has the correct spouse? Or indeed that the marriage took place in London.
A bit more background would be really helpful.


brummiejan Report 6 Jan 2013 17:00

This looks like same couple as above, in that William has same distinctive occupation - but birthplaces are completely different!!!:

1851 England Census about Mary Ricketts
Name: Mary Ricketts
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wiliam Ricketts
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen

Name Age
Wiliam Ricketts 36 Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Mary Ricketts 33


Madeleine Report 8 Dec 2013 11:13

I have been unable to research for some time. I found all the replies to my Ricketts enquiry very interesting. I am now going to pick up my threads and try to find more information. Thank you to everyone, and apologies for not answering sooner. Madeleine