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1911 The John above F stands for Fenwick!

Name:John Fenwick Leslie
Age in 1911:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1876
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish:Oldbury
County/Island:Staffordshire
Country:England
Street Address:
97 Vicarage Road, Langley Green, Bham, Worcestershire
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Brewer
Registration district:West Bromwich
Registration District Number:371

parents marriage
Marriages Sep 1871
FENWICK Lydia Brentford 3a 83
Leslie George Dunlop Brentford 3a 83

I have read Susan'sthread she put on General.

SORRY-----..gonna throw a spanner in the works about the birth of the supposed DLM.

Now this is my 1st time of looking at this thread for months..


I think Georde D Leslie is the birth father and D Leslie(Macleod,Macleod,) with either one of the sevants from the 1901 census or there is a woman Macleod living around the area where he lived in 1901.


1901 census transcription details for: 9, Riverside, Thames Street, Wallingford St Peter, Wallingford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1139
Folio: 58
Page: 13
Reg. District: Wallingford
Sub District: Wallingford
Parish: Wallingford St Peter
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Wallingford St Peter
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Riverside, Thames Street, Wallingford St Peter, Wallingford
County: Berkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

LESLIE, George D Head Married M 65 1836 Artist (Painter)
Marylebone, London

LESLIE, Lydia Wife Married F 56 1845
Marylebone, London

LESLIE, John F Son Single M 25 1876 Brewery Pupil
Marylebone, London

LESLIE, Peter Son Single M 23 1878 Artist (Painter)
Marylebone, London

LESLIE, Lydia Daughter Single F 17 1884 Artist (Painter)
Wallfd, Berkshire

LESLIE, Mary Sister Single F 67 1834
Imbecile Marylebone, London

ROBERTSON, Bessie Servant Single F 42 1859 Hospital Nurse
Tooting, London

TURDELL, Thomas L Grand Son M 1 1900
India

HUNT, Kate Servant Single F 23 1878 Housemaid (Domestic)
Inkpen, Berkshire

SIMMONDS, Susan M Servant Single F 22 1879 Cook (Domestic)
Enstone, Oxfordshire

BATTEN, Annie Servant Single F 23 1878 Parlourmaid (Domestic)
Sotwell, Berkshire

TIZZARD, Mabel A Servant F 15 1886 Nursemaid (Domestic)
Goring, Oxfordshire


Look at the list of servants and there is a Bessie Robertson Hospital Nurse 42 she is also on the 1881 census with the same family.(This may or not be the mother of DLM.) but because she was a Hospital nurse she may have put the baby in a family name.


Just my head working overtime.

Just going to look at some streets around Thames Street Wallingford St Peters and see if I can find a Mcleod.Macleod living in the area.

Another situation is Whoever Macleod,McLeod could have been one of his models with being an artist.

:-)

If memory serves me right, I think the witnesses were from the groom's side - not a lot of help........ :-(

Thank you Cynthia, for the facts about the elusive Diane Leslie Macleod. She's more invisible than my birth father!!

On the marriage cert for Diane, what are the names of the witnesses, you never know what may turn up.

Hi Jan, yes I contacted the school last year.................guess what? zilch :-(


Hi Sue and welcome.....Evelyn knows absolutely nothing whatsoever about her grandparents unfortunately.

Here is a shortened version of what we have discovered so far! Shortened???? ahhhhh.


DIANE LESLIE MacLEOD born c June 1906-8 India? (so she said).

No verification of this birth can be found whatsoever. Searches have been
made of Indian, Scottish and English births by many people but to no avail as yet.

Possibilities: This is not her real name.

DIANE: Searches have been made under: Donaldina, Dolinda, Dolina etc. - nothing found.

LESLIE: She was very attached to her middle name of Leslie and insisted it was spelled that way. She gave the name to one of her sons. Some searches have been made re this name but maybe we need to do more.

MacLEOD : On her marriage certificate (1929 in London), she states her
father to be Major Robert MacLeod of the 1st Seaforth Highlanders - deceased. Nothing of him can be confirmed despite extensive military searches being made. These can be found on ps 2-4 and 14-15 – 29 and 36 of the thread.

She told her family that she went to live on Stornoway with ‘Aunt Kate and
cousins Donald & Ishbel (Isabelle)’. This family has been researched as probably the family of Rev. Donald MacLeod who was the minister of the church in Tarbat. The present Incumbent of that church has been contacted and was most helpful.

Various agencies in Tarbat have been contacted re this family and Diane but nothing found.

We have almost completed a 'family tree' on that particular MacLeod family but, someone has come forward who is related to them and does not think Diane links to them.

Diane stated that she went to school in Stornoway. The most likely school
would be the Nicolson Institute. A search has been made for her under D.L.M but there is no sign of her under that name.

Other local schools have been contacted but there is nothing to be found under D.L.M.

There is no sign of a DLM on the 1911 Scottish census see p.41

The first absolute sighting we have of her is when she started work at Springfield Hospital in London 7.6.1927 - 19.6.1928. There are, apparently, no more notes in her file.

In 1929 she married, as Diane Leslie MacLeod, a Herbert R.J. Roy in London. Up until her marriage, she received a private allowance, source unknown.

The address given on her marriage certificate is 53 Khartoum Road, Wandsworth, London. The Electoral Roll for 1929 shows the family living at that address were named Kirby. There is no sign of Diane anywhere in Khartoum Road . She may just have been boarding there for a short time prior to her marriage.

Our Evelyn was born in 1932 at 44 Dafforne Road, Wandsworth and Diane and her husband show up there on the Electoral Roll.

Some research has been done on the other occupants but nothing worthwhile was found apart from the fact that one of the occupants was an Evelyn Goddard-Fenwick whom our Evelyn is named after and was her Godmother. See ps. 22-23 of this thread for more details.

Various living Goddard-Fenwick’s have been contacted but to no avail. You can pm me for details on that. We have, over the last couple of years, drawn up a fairly comprehensive family tree for the G-Fs but simply cannot trace the connection.

Just before the search drew to a halt last year, Evelyn remembered her mother reading a local newspaper (Dorset?)in the early 1950's and finding either an article or an obituary about a very old lady who had died in Stornoway aged 91. She stated that it was Aunt Kate. FBG travelled to the local office to look at the microfiche but, again - nothing.

Scotland's People was searched for possible deaths but again, we drew a blank.

At the moment, I am working to try and find where Evelyn was actually baptised, just in case any family members were included as Godparents. I am having lovely phone calls with the incumbent of the most likely parish church but no baptism as yet!!!

So this is where the search is up to so far and still we try........because of our fondness for Evelyn...


If anyone feels they would like to tackle any of the unresolved issues or
re-check anything that has already been done….please do so. It may be that something has been missed or new information is available.


Thank you for reading this epistle....... :- Cx

I should not have looked at this thread!! I, too am hooked.

Just for info re the Seaforth Highlanders

Unit History: Seaforth Highlanders
The Regiment was officially formed in 1881 when the 78th and the 72nd Regiments of Foot were amalgamated as part of the Childers Reforms; however it can trace its history back a further 103 years prior to this date.

(There is a section here which I have not copied)

he 78th was raised by Francis Mackenzie, 1st Baron Seaforth (grandson of Kenneth Mackenzie, 4th Earl of Seaforth) in 1793 and named the 78th Ross-shire Buffs. The Regiment saw its first action in the Netherlands during the French Revolutionary War fighting at Nijmegen. In 1795 the Regiment was deployed to South Africa capturing the Cape Town, Wynberg and Muysenberg from the Dutch. The Regiment was then deployed to India to serve during the Second Mahratta War 1803-05 and under the command of Arthur Wellesley (who later became the Duke of Wellington) at the Battle of Assaye. The 78th also participated in the Invasion of Java of 1811 capturing the Dutch Fort Cornelis during the Napoleonic Wars (1803-1814). The Regiment returned to India in 1842 to serve in the First Anglo-Afghan War and then the Anglo-Persian War of 1857 fighting at the Battle of Khushab and Mohammerah. The 78th also served during The Indian Rebellion (1857-58) recapturing the town of Cawnpore and fighting at the first relief of Lucknow.

In 1881 both Regiments were amalgamated as part of the Childers Reforms to become The Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, The Duke of Albany’s). The Childers Reforms restructured the British army infantry Regiments into a network of multi-battalion Regiments each having two regular and two militia battalions. The newly formed Regiment went on to serve in various foreign campaigns including; the Anglo-Egyptian War (1882 ), Tel El Kebir (1882), the Chitral Expedition 1895, the Second Sudan War (1896 – 98) fighting at the Battle of Atbara and the Battle of Khartoum, The Second Boer War 1899 – 1902 fighting at The Battle of Paardeberg and two World Wars.

I was wondering whether Evelyn's grandfather Robert, fought in the Chitral Expedition in India?

I have not gone back to the beginning of the thread, but does Evelyn know her Grandmother's name, ie wife of Robert Macleod?

There are several "Roderick" Macleods on the website Forces War Records, I expect others have gone down this route already.

I will keep digging!!
Sue

This is the school Evelyn Godard Fenwick taught at ,wondered how long ago this was put on their site and if it has been looked at by anyone?
"The Archive of materials depicting life at CLSG over the ages was recently collated by Anne Savage and her team and then deposited , for permanent storage, with the London Metropolitan Archives which they then sorted and catalogued. These files are very easily accessed for interest and research purposes - London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London EC1R 0HB. Tel: 020 7332 3881."

Hi wisechild.....baptism is a funny thing at times. Strictly speaking, it is a once and for all experience.....C. of E. and R.C. churches do not baptise more than once...BUT it has been known for it to happen in the past....and has been linked to applying for parish relief etc.

No trace of a DLM can be found on any overseas records at the mo.... :-(


Hi Jan, I think we can safely say that it probably isn't her real name but a combination of something or other - especially the Leslie to which she was especially attached.


Onwards and upwards.............sigh.......

Who lived at Beaufoy Rd Battersea?
In 1911 there is a Robert Macleod, b Sutherland, with wife Elizabeth & their children. No Diana & Robert is a carpinters labourer, but who knows?. The children are the right age to be siblings of "Diana"
RG14/2197 1911. 149 Beaufoy Road.

yes you have to ask the question "is this her real name"!! :-)

Cynthia. Just a thought. Maybe she was baptised in India as she said she was born there.
My 3xg grandfather was baptised by the army chaplain in France at the end of the Peninsula war, having been born there, but was re baptised with 2 of his younger siblings when the family returned to Birmingham.
So maybe the parents didn´t bother with 2 sets of godparents if she´d already been baptised once.
They seem to have been a funny lot anyway. It beats me how someone can suddenly appear in their 20s leaving not a trace of any previous life.,

Hello Susan and welcome aboard... :-D


Has anyone tried search the London Gazette? To be honest, I really don't know but it would certainly be worth a try. Thanks for the idea.....as you can see, we try absolutely anything on here.


I have been down the route of trying to find out who Evelyn's other Godparents were in case they were relations...............(one lives in hope).

Anyway, after a couple of attempts, I discovered which church has Dafforne Road in it's parish (most baptisms in those days took place in the local parish church).

I have had two very pleasant phone calls with the incumbent, who has personally looked through the records for me. Nope.....no sign....but we had a very nice conversation :-D


He has suggested another parish which may be likely, so I am getting onto that later. I had wondered if her parents had taken her back to the place where they were married but, as it was in a registry office, I was out of luck there too.... :-(


I am making a note to go online with the GR expert tonight!!!

Has anyone tried searching www.London-gazette.co.uk?


I am now hooked after reading the thread for hours....so far I am up to page 51.....so quite a way to go.

well would you beleive it
iwent to school at the hydeiit is now a council estate but lots of open space not far from hendon flying drome :-0

not that it helps

sally w <3

Cynthia.
Don´t I know!!!
That´s why I didn´t get too excited. The street name vaguely rings a bell, but I´ve got London ancestors too & at my age I get very confused with who is who.
Happy Easter to all anyway.
Marion

Thanks Wisechild - to be honest, we have looked at so many Robert MacLeods, that I would need to go through the thread again to see those we have eliminated.

Alice and Olivia aren't ringing any bells though.....I will check and see how Viv is and if she can remember anything.


Thanks.... :-D :-D

Elec.roll with Alice Olivia and a Nina Macleod
Name:
Beryl May Macleod

Year:
1929
County or Borough:
Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency:
Chelsea
Street Address:
14 D'Oyley Street

1911 ?Alice says married 14 years 4 children but then has a red line through it
no husband on census
Name:
Alice Oliver Macleod
Age in 1911:34
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1877
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Pitlochry, Perthshire
Civil parish:Hendon
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street Address:
The Rookery Farm, The Hyde N W
Marital Status:Married
Registration district:Hendon
Registration District Number:130
Household Members:
Alice Oliver Macleod 34
Beryl May Macleod 8
Murice Gilbert 25
Euphemia Johnson 52
Florence Rox Harrold 22
Ida Sityler 34

1919 electoral roll at that address was Alice Olivia Macleod!

Sorry if I´m repeating things, but just been looking at the Electoral Registers & saw
Captain Robert Macleod 10 Ovington Gardens Kensington in 1920?
Could it be "our"Robert?