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Oh Viv...is Westmorland coming on too, do you know? I want that one so much, will solve a lot of my puzzle's!!

Do you think the Louisa is a poss? On second thought's, I am prob barking up the wrong tree...nothing new there:(

Misty x

That child is not showing on 1911 misty,so she must be in gateshead i would think as that isnt online yet
it was supposed to be today ,still waiting though,I want northumberland as well.

Sean

Please can you tell me where you got Lucy from...could she have been called Louisa?

There was a Louisa born 1910, Gateshead, Durham but she died 1918.
I wonder if this may be her and she was in hospital for long period's so was not at home on 1911 census...just a thought!

Was she talked about as though they grew up together?

Misty x

The only death of a male between 1884 and 1888 who could possibly have been esthers first hubby is this one.
Bit long in the tooth for her though although the right name

Deaths Dec 1885 (>99%)
BOAGEY Francis 68 Hartlepool 10a 74


there is one male death of an 18 year old in 1884 but its in guisborough not hartlepool
viv

This is the only Atkinson / mace birth i can find after 1911 census
maybe this is lou but I think too far away from durham.
Unless they moved that way?

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Atkinson Peggy I Mace W. Ham 4a 611

no Boagey /mace births.
different mother maybe,but still no lou or lucy

I totally agree with misty that the hunter boagey/esther bayes are not your line
I have double checked them today as i thought it was a possibility
how can they be married on 1901 and esther also with atkinson
So they are different people.
viv

Sean I saw that info on Ancestry( there is a tree on there) but it does not fit, as Hunter and Esther( Bayes) were still married in 1901....so I dont believe it is the same people...Sorry...might be wrong, will go have another look.

Misty x

hi all just had some info from a very kind gentlman
marrage oct-dec 1888 john and esther but also a marrage
jan-mar 1883 hunter boagley to a esther boagley formaly bayes
mother coming later going to really study birth cert .
going back to the story i wonder when charles told us he went to live with a friend john atkinson it was really his step brother
cant get out of my head about lucy or lou as he called her no record at all on herxx

They most certainly did Misty.
What bothers me is the big gap between kids on the 1901,did some die after birth maybe?
I have checked and rechecked for more marriages on esther/mary and john Atkinson and just yours shows.
But for william francis father with esther ,nothing,only one hunter boagey/esther marriage and they go through to 1901.
And where did janes middle name of browell come from?
l am also unable to see a birth of mary esther/esther boagey if she was unmarried when wiliam francis was born.

But one thing I do know that if Boagey had been my surname I wouldnt have wanted to use it!!!
Maybe that is why charles wife wrote all over his birth cert,can you imagine,
hello mrs boagey,and how are your little monsters today?
and the kids at school would have had a dreadful time about other things,well you know what kids are like!
still giggling to myself here,sorry Sean.
viv

oooooh well done you, Viv. I did look for the 1891 one last night but had to give up as I couldnt keep my eye's open!!

Looking at both year's, I think maybe John Atkinson had children when he and Esther (Mary) got together and his youngest was called William also...maybe that's why William Francis became Frank.....What a muddle that would be, having two William Atkinsons in the same house!!

Gosh, didnt they like the name Francis/ Frances....

Misty x

william francis/frank boagey/atkinson etc 1891,but esther is now Mary,and still born in hartlepool.
The strange thing is that on the image william and frank are down as twins,what is being hidden here? as we know they are not,and both have the same first name anyway.
This is definatley the same family as 1901 though.

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1891 England Census
about Frank Atkinson
Name: Frank Atkinson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Byers Green, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Byers Green
Ecclesiastical parish: Byers Green
Town: Byers Green
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Auckland
Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Atkinson 44
Mary Atkinson 30
Richard Atkinson 19
Margaret Atkinson 18
John Atkinson 11
William Atkinson 7
Frank Atkinson 7
Frances Atkinson 9
Elizabeth A Atkinson 3
Mary A Atkinson 11/12

Just had to take one more look....

Mother and Stepfather Marriage

Dec 1888
ATKINSON John Auckland 10a 296
BOAGEY Esther Auckland 10a 296

Misty x

Bingo Misty...whoopee!

So it was charles dad who ran away not charls by the looks of it
family stories do change in the telling
You got the link I reckon.
back tomorrow
really going now

get that cert Sean.please please please
viv

Night Viv and Sean

Misty x

Last words
I can not see a birth for lou or lucy atkinson/boagey/mace
but she may have had a different father /surname
so without a birth year for her it is not really possible to pin point her
sorry
goodnight
viv

With mother and Stepfather?

1901 England Census about William Frank Boagy
Name: William Frank Boagy
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John...1847
Mother's Name: Esther....1865
Gender: Male
Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Byers Green
Ecclesiastical parish: Byers Green St Peter
Town: Byers Green
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:....... Coal Miners Putter ?
Registration district: Auckland
Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland

Household Members:
Name Age
John Atkinson 54......Stone Man (Below)?
Esther Atkinson 36
Margaret Atkinson 28
John Atkinson 21
Francis Atkinson 19
William Atkinson 16
William Frank Boagy 16
Elizabeth Ann Atkinson 12
Mary Ann Atkinson 10
Esther Atkinson 2
Jane Browell Atkinson 3 Mo

Misty x

thanx all never stoped up so late have another look tom not going to give up yet xxxx

Well I would send for this cert using mothers name gertrude as a checking ref,so you only lose half your money if it hasnt got that name on it.
Because if it your charles then you will be able to read it properly.

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)

Boagey Charles Edward N Durham 10a 418

got to go to bed now ,will check back in the morning for the occupation of
william francis the father if you can read it.

edit,,just seen you cant read it,Get that cert,I will eat my hat if it is not the same one as you cant read properly!!

then come back on this thread so misty and I can help out more if poss,but let us know if you get it please.
viv

sorry we cant read his occupation

Maybe he took on the Atkinson name after he left home to live with John Atkinson if he hated his father for beating him!!

Viv...Your Fantastic..

Misty x