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Thanks Sablon,

Sue is in luck - Daniel married Mary in Wigan - she was his second wife but there is a little confusion on the name.

I have to 'do things' this morning so perhaps you could see if you can come up with anything on this? - There might be something on IGI ??

1851 England Census
about Daniel Hogan
Name: Daniel Hogan
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: M
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:............... Army Lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Hogan 45 Chelsea Pensioner
M Hogan 34
E Hogan 27
M Hogan 10
Mary Boyle 7 step daug - Wigan
John Hogan 5 b Wigan
B Hogan 9 Mo b Wigan




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2199; Folio: 310; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87208-87209.

Source Information:


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Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%)
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Birchall Edward Wigan 21 566
Bolton James Wigan 21 566
****Boylan Mary Wigan 21 566
Hartliff Ann Wigan 21 566
****Hogan Daniel Wigan 21 566
Hogg Alice Wigan 21 566
MARKLAND James Wigan 21 566
Wright Ann Jane Wigan 21 566

** I have looked at the images and the marriage says BOYLAN and the birth says BOYLE:

Births Dec 1844

Boyle Mary Wigan 21 804


We need to find a marriage for Mary to Mr Boyle or Boylan, plus a death for husband No. 1 ???

I can't follow it till later.

Dea x

yes you could be right Dea,I put them on here because that was the only ones i could find on bdm for lancashire.I have got no acsess to ancesrty.
i will remove them as less confushion

Probable for Annie's birth (Daniel's sister):

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HOGAN Ann Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/35/486

I have them on 1861 !!!!!

1861 England Census
about Daniel Hagan
Name: Daniel Hagan
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Monk Hesledon, Durham, England

Civil parish: Monk Hesledon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:................. Castle Eden Colliery


Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Hagan 57 b Ireland Pensioner
Mary Hagan 42 b Ireland
Michael Hagan 20 b Ireland Coal miner
John Hagan 15 b Wigan Coal Miner
Mary Hagan 17 b Wigan
Ann Hagan 9 b Wigan
Thos Hagan 5 b Wigan
Daniel Hagan 1 b Durham (Monk Hesledon)



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3751; Folio: 26; Page: 48; GSU roll: 543182.

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This then is Daniel's birth (your Great Grandfather) -

Births Dec 1859
HOGAN Daniel Easington 10a 280

Your Great Great Grandparents were Daniel + Mary from Ireland!!

I will look for more later!

Dea Xxx

Good morning all.

Sablon - you have what I believe is the correct marriage but I don't think any of the Liverpool births are the ones we are looking for - Lets go and have a look.........

Dea x

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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GILDROY Hannah Durham 10a 518
Hogan Daniel Durham 10a 518
WEST John Durham 10a 518
WILKINSON Sarah Durham 10a 518

The district Durham is in the county of Co. Durham

Oh no, so sorry Dea's other half blame it all on me!!!!!!

O.K. then - what you REALLY want is the birth cert for the John Hogan who married Gertrude Shea ???

Let's concentrate on that then!

Have to go and do 'the wifey cooking thing' soon so I will take a fresh look at it later ! (Good job he's been out as I have been on here ALL day !!- tee hee)!

Dea x

Thank you Dea, i really appreciate what you and Sablon have done for me. the one thing i would really love is to find my grandfathers birth details so that i can have his birth certificate. That would make my search for the Hogan family complete. Great grandparents would be a bonus but i'm more than happy to stop at grandparents. Thinking that he was from Ireland i had resigned myself to the fact that i would never find him. Its made me feel quite emotional really. I hadn't know any family on either side and now its beginning to feel real.

I'm also going to meet my half brother in a few weeks time he's a very long way so this is probably going to be the only chance but it will be lovely to show him what has been found.

Sue

Hi Susan,

I think we need to 'step back' here and see what it is you REALLY want to find??? - Otherwise, you could spend a fortune on all these certs and not get any further !!.

We now know that your grandparents were John Hogan + Gertrude Shea !

We know that John was probably born in Wigan and that he had a brother Daniel and his father was also Daniel - married to Sarah Ann (possibly Wilkinson). - also born in Wigan?? - mother Alice Wilkinson, sister Margaret Wilkinson

Daniel's + John's father was also Daniel, born in Durham around 1862 and he had a sister called Annie who married Dominic Daley. (I think she was also born in Wigan??)

I think you should list everything out like this and add them to your more recent relatives, take a look at what you have and see what it is you REALLY want to find.

Have a think and come back on here - there is a lot of info which we can link together but you need to 'get yourself sorted' first??

Dea x

My goodness Dea !!! you have worked hard ,thank you for doing this.

I gave up looking for the marriage details at 1932 as that was when the first daughter was born BUT on the possible birth details for 2nd daughter there is one with mother Nettleton. District Cleveland Yeah !!!I was wondering if sending for that marriage cert would be of any help??

Daniel then was born c 1862 in Durham

Probable marriage, which I think has already been mentioned on a previous page
but to be honest, I have 'lost the will' to read through it all again (sorry - tee hee!)

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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GILDROY Hannah Durham 10a 518
Hogan Daniel Durham 10a 518
WEST John Durham 10a 518
WILKINSON Sarah Durham 10a 518 ???????

***Daniel is the one with Dominic + Ann Daley (on 1881 - his sister) !!! - and again still there in 1891 - now married,
but I can't find wife Sarah Ann + John !!

- I will go + look for Sarah Ann !

Probably found her on 1881 before she married:

1881 England Census
about Sarah A. Wilkinson
Name: Sarah A. Wilkinson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Ince, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ince in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 33 New Hall St (Engineers Arms)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Wilkinson 50 Publican..........
Margaret Wilkinson 18
Sarah A. Wilkinson 13


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3777; Folio: 73; Page: 9; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341903.

Still need her on 1891...............

I am going to try to sort out all the bits that now 'fit' and see where to go next!........ I may be
a while !!!!!!!!!

Dea x

By George!!! - I think we have them???? - on 1911!!


HOGAN, DANIEL HEAD MARRIED M 49 COAL MINER HEWER DURHAM CASTLE EDEN HUTTEN HENRY
HOGAN, SARAH ANN WIFE MARRIED 24 F 44 WIGAN PARISH LANCS
HOGAN, JOHN SON SINGLE M 22 COAL MINER HEWER WIGAN PARISH LANCS
HOGAN, DANIEL SON M 5 SCOTLAND HAMILTON RESIDENT
FERRIS, JAMES BOARDER MARRIED M 24 COAL MINER PUTTER BELOW GROUND WINGATE CO DURHAM
FERRIS, HENRIETTA BOARDER MARRIED F 20 WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM
FERRIS, SIDNEY JAMES BOARDER M 2 HESLEDEN C/O DURHAM
FERRIS, LEONARD BOARDER M 6 MONTHS WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM

HOGAN DANIEL (RG14PN29996 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED4 SN138)
Address 11 EATS TERRACE STATION TOWN WINGATE STATION WINGATE County Durham
District Easington Subdistrict Wingate
Enumeration District 4 Parish Hutton Henry


Have to 'nip out' for a little while ...draattt!!!

Will look for further details when I get back !

Dea Xxx

Marriage - Sep Q 1934
Guisbro' 9d 1200

Daniel Hogan
Gladys I Nettleton.

Dea x

Mind you, I am not sure where this leads us to ??

Dea x

How about these two???

Doreen Hogan
Mother's Maiden Surname: Nettleton
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1935
Registration district: Guisbro'
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 729 (click to see others on page)

Jean Hogan
Mother's Maiden Surname: Nettleton
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1938
Registration district: Cleveland
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 568 (click to see others on page)

Dea x

Daniel poss the younger brother . He had 2 daughters born around 1933 & 38 so going to look for them to see where he was living . Thats all info given i'm afraid.

Well that didn't really work. Found 2 Doreens and 6 Jeans but each one had a different mothers name !!!
Looked for Hogan marriages 1924 - 32 none match any of the mothers names . Oh dear

thomas is the father in that one susan,there can't be many left

hi, my last 2 messages have disappered !!
i have gone through every Hogan death from 59 - 73 and only found 3 Daniels . Still waiting for a reply to my email to see if its known if he was the elder or younger bother.

Daniel Hogan 41 Essex Stratford Burnley Coal Miner

1891 census





Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Hargreaves Elizabeth Burnley 8e 282
HAWTHORN Mary Burnley 8e 282
Heap Cornelius Burnley 8e 282
Hogan Daniel Burnley 8e 282

Hi again,

I haven't 'abandoned' you - will join you in the search later when grand-daughter has gone home.

Dea x

need to check the 1891 census for Daniel Hogan coal miner married ?? with a son Daniel Hogan and John Hogan