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Two Hallett sisters emigrated to Australia from Dorset area in ca 1845-1850. One at least was called Margaret I believe and married a Mr Rendell in Australia. The other married a Mr Pedersen. This latter copuple had probably 4 sons, born in Sydney. One of whom, Conrad, was my grandfather. I would love to hear from anyone who has any further information about these two ladies or about the other sons of Pedersen-Hallett. Their families - ancestry, descendents etc. I accept that it is a long shot but I live in hope!

Michael - there is a record on NSW BMD's of Emma C F Hallett marrying Christian Pedersen in Sydney in 1869

Conrad C appears to be the only child of theirs registered in NSW - in 1870 also in Sydney - but other states could be a possibility

Can't find a death for Emma Pedersen but there are a couple of possibilities for Christian (and I stress possibilities as it is a reasonably common name and this is NSW only) - 1 in 1908 with parents Peter and Anna, and 1 in 1926 - parents Peter and Christina - (edit to add - CONSIDERING MY LATER POSTS THE 1908 ONE WOULD NOT BE HIM - THE 1926 ONE MAY BE - THERE IS A NEWSPAPER AD IN JANUARY 1927 REGARDING CLAIMS ON HIS ESTATE - THOUGH HE WAS RESIDENT IN VICTORIA )

(SECOND EDIT - NOT HIM IN NSW IN 1926 EITHER - SEE LATER POST CONFIRMING HIS DEATH IN VICTORIA - ALSO IN 1926 - AS PER THE 1927 AD REGARDING CLAIMS ON HIS ESTATE)


Good Luck

Sue

I wonder if Emma was EMMA CHARLOTTE FOOKS HALLETT - birth registered in Tiverton (Devon) - Jul/Aug/Sep 1841??

Looks like she was - from The Argus - Melbourne
Saturday 18 August 1928

Deaths

PEDERSEN.-On the 15th August, at the Alfred Hospital, Emma Charlotte Fooks, beloved wife of tile late Christian Pedersen, of Darnum, loved mother of Conrad, Hallet (deceased), Sydney (deceased), Walter, Otta, Oscar (deceased), Christian (deceased), aged 86 years.

With Christ.

Cheers
Sue

It looks as if they may have come back to Britain at some time - their son Christian was a WW1 casualty

Name: PEDERSEN, CHRISTIAN SEVEREN
Initials: C S
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 06/05/1917
Service No: 39A
Additional information: Son of Christian and Emma Charlotte Fooks Pedersen, of Shedbush, Darnum, Victoria. Born at Liverpool, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MEMORIAL

Will have a look for the others

Sue

This is a link to the circular form that his father filled out for the Roll of Honour - held at the Australian War Memorial

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/AWM131/039/039225.pdf

You can see his service record at

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8009878&I=1&SE=1

Sue

Final look for tonight

They were in Liverpool for the 1891 census - at 10 & 11, Kent Square

PEDERSEN, Christian Head Married M 47 1844 Emigration Agent A J Norway
PEDERSEN, Emma Wife Married F 48 1843 Feverton
Devonshire
PEDERSEN, ? Son Single M 20 1871 Interpreter
Sidney Australia B Subject
PEDERSEN, Walter Son Single M 14 1877 Apprentice Lithographic Artist Liverpool
PEDERSEN, Otto Son M 12 1879 Scholar Liverpool
PEDERSEN, Oscar Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Liverpool
PEDERSEN, Cristian Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Liverpool
JOHNSON, Carl Servant Single M 60 1831 Cook Servant Domestic Loveden
BREN, Rose O Servant Widow F 30 1861 Waitress Domestic
Liverpool
MOURELZRY, Maria Servant Married F 32 1859 General Servant
Austria

On the original - the ? certainly looks to be Conrad

Wow - you've certainly got a bit to be working with Michael!!

Cheers

Sue

Really the last - Emma and the older boys at least were also in England for the1881 census - in the village of Caundle Bishop Dorset

PEDERSEN, Emma C F Wife Head Married F 38 1843 Interpreters Wife Tiverton Devon
PEDERSEN, Conrad P Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
N S W Sydney
PEDERSEN, Sydney Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Liverpool Lancashire
PEDERSEN, Walter E Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Liverpool Lancashire
PEDERSEN, Otto E Son Single M 2 1879 Scholar
Liverpool Lancashire

Cheers Again

Sue

Michael

They came back to Victoria, Australia. Death of Emma Charlotte Fooks PEDERSEN in Prahran, Victoria in 1928 (reg 12098), aged 86, daughter of Peter HALLETT and Charlotte FOOKS.

Here are the deaths of the other children, including (oddly) a daughter not mentioned in her obituary!

Surname: PEDERSEN
Given Names: Oscar Geo
Father: Pedersen Christian
Mother: Emma Chtte Fooks HALLATT
Death Place: GEELONG
Age: 39
Year: 1921
Reg Number: 1777
Event: D

Surname: PEDERSEN
Given Names: Walt Emil
Father: Christian
Mother: Emma
Death Place: MELB
Age: 75
Year: 1951
Reg Number: 10086
Event: D

Surname: PEDERSEN
Given Names: Otto Edward
Father: Christina
Mother: Emma Charlott HALLET
Death Place: KEW
Age: 81
Year: 1960
Reg Number: 8978
Event: D

Surname: GOLLER
Given Names: Grace Ann
Father: Pedersen Chris
Mother: Emma Charlotte HALLATT
Death Place: GREE
Age: 75
Year: 1960
Reg Number: 22908
Event: D

This is interesting, check out next of kin:

PEDERSEN CHRISTIAN WALTER : Service Number - VX59026 : Date of birth - 18 Sep 1919 : Place of birth - GEELONG VIC : Place of enlistment - ROYAL PARK VIC : Next of Kin - GOLLER GRACE

If you go to http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx, Christian Severen PEDERSEN's file is digitised and you can read it online. He was a farmer, aged almost 29 in 1914, 5' 11". His father Christian is shown as next of kin, living in Brighton Victoria. He was wounded in action in France in 1916, then killed in action there in 1917. Interesting reading. It includes a handwritten letter by his father advising his change of address.

Here is the family coming to Victoria from the UK in 1892:

Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page
PEDERSEN CHRISTIAN 49 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN EMMA 49 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN CONRAD 21 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN PAULINE 18 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN OTTO 12 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN WALTER 15 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN OSCAR 9 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001
PEDERSEN CHRISTIAN 7 NOV 1892 GULF OF MARTABAN B 565 001

I think Pauline must be Conrad's wife?

This marriage?:
Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
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>>>CARLIN Pauline W. Derby 8b 889
Dobson James W. Derby 8b 889
FRANKS Emma Pheobe W. Derby 8b 889
HALLAM George W Derby 8b 889
>>>>PEDERSEN Conrad _arneman W Derby 8b 889


Son Hallett's birth and death, as per obit:

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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PEDERSEN Hallett Christian Bridport 5a 417

Deaths Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Pedersen Hallett Christian 0 Bridport 5a 276

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This death in Warragul fits approx with Christian snr's age:

Surname: PEDERSEN
Given Names: Christian
Father: Pedersen Andw
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place: WGUL
Age: 82
Year: 1926
Reg Number: 12135
Event: D

Okay got it sorted, Grace Ann was not a daughter of Christian and Emma. She was the wife of Oscar, who remarried after his death to Wm GOLLER in 1926 (reg 4933). That is why she is listed as next of kin on her son's enlistment. There was a death notice in the Argus on 18th Feb (he died on Valentine's Day, how awful)

PEDERSEN -On the 14th February, at Geelong, Oscar George, beloved husband of Grace, loving son of Mr and Mrs Pedersen, "Shedbush," Darnum, aged 39 years.

Otto married in Sydney NSW to Adelia May LACEY in 1908 (reg 6764). They had a daughter in Richmond, Victoria in 1913 named Dulcie Charlotte Lacy PEDERSEN (reg 34663). No further trace of her. Adelia died in Melbourne in 1963 aged 81, daughter of George H LACEY & Amanda Elizabeth DUFF (reg 21540).

Oscar married Grace Ann EGAN in Victoria in 1904 (reg 1954). They had LOTS of children! As I mentioned, Grace remarried in 1926 after Oscar's untimely death. Their children:

Emmie [Emma] Bessie 1905 South Yarra, m. Cyril Lewis MURPHY 1925
Geo 1906 Brunswick, d. 1906 Brunswick
Oscar Sydney 1908 Williamstown, m. Irene Liln KING 1932, d. 1932 Toorak aged 24
Eva Grace 1909 Yarra Junction, m. Lewis Geo Percival SANDS 1926, d. 1984 Monbulk aged 75
Edward Arthur 1911 Warragul, m. Joan Fran FRYER 1936, d. 1949 Pville aged 37
Robert Hallett 1913 Warragul, d. 1921 Geelong aged 8
Frank Kingdon/Kingdom 1915 Darnum, m. Sheila Susan JONES 1936, d. 1975 Heidelberg aged 60
Herbert Richard 1917 Birreguna, m. Veronica STEPHENSON 1939, d. 1972 Macl aged 54

There was an inquest into Oscar Sydney's death - he was struck by a rolling log :-(

Note that Darnum is near Warragul; this matches Christian snr's death in Warragul nicely!

Herbert's enlistment also lists his mum as nok:

PEDERSEN HERBERT RICHARD : Service Number - V83749 : Date of birth - 10 Dec 1917 : Place of birth - BIRREGURRA VIC : Place of enlistment - SOUTH MELBOURNE VIC : Next of Kin - GOLLER GRACE

Walter married Annie CLOHESY in Victoria in 1913 (reg 7180). They had the following chn, but there may have been more after 1920:

Edward Joseph 1914 Richmond
Sydney Walter 1919 Richmond, d. 1975 aged 55

Annie died in Prahran Victoria in 1951 aged 64 (reg 3859), daughter of Patrick CLOHESY and Margaret GRACE.

Where did Conrad and Pauline settle? I can't find them in Vic or NSW.

This seals it, death notice in the Argus on Sat 28th August 1928:

PEDERSEN. -On the 25th August, at his residence, Shedbush, Darnum, Gippsland, Christian, dearly beloved husband of Emma, loving father of Conrad, Hallett, Sydney, Walter, Otto, Oscar, and Christian, aged 82 years.
Peace, perfect peace.

Thanks for adding the Victorian stuff Cherilyn - I can tell you that Conrad and Pauline went back to England - 1901 census:

22, Cathedral Road, West Derby, Lancs
PEDERSEN, Conrad Head Married M 30 1871 Manager Window Glass Sydney Australia
PEDERSEN, Pauline Wife Married F 26 1875 Liverpool
PEDERSEN, Egbert Son Single M 7 1894 Liverpool
PEDERSEN, Cyril Son Single M 6 1895 Liverpool
PEDERSEN, Charles Son Single M 3 1898 Liverpool

1911
HOUSEHOLD PEDERSEN CONRAD M 1871 40 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PEDERSEN CYRIL M 1895 16 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PEDERSEN EGBERT M 1894 17 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PEDERSEN HALLETT M 1898 13 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PEDERSEN RENDELL M 1903 8 West Derby Lancashire

Lets hope Michael comes back soon to see all the stuff we've extracted for him - the Roll of Honour circular I linked to last night along with Christian's (jnr) WW1 service record will hopefully be of special interest as it was filled out in fathers own hand

Cheers
Sue

Ah I see! I notice Conrad has a son named Rendell - perhaps this was Margaret's husband's surname, used as inspiration? Still can't find their marriage...

This is interesting

RENDELL Bessie Ann Hallett, 1852 DOR ENG, Edwin Fox, 1858, Fremantle WA

Mighte be worth a look since they came from Dorset!

From http://www.janetreakesgenealogy.com/VirtualWall/WallR.htm

has a link to a family contact

Conrad and Pauline must really not have liked it here in Oz, cos they left pretty quicksmart - after only 2 or 3 months - for Germany!

Family name Given name / title Age Ship name Departure month Departure year Destination
PEDERSEN C 22 HOHENSTAUFEN JAN 1893 BREMEN JAN 1893 002
PEDERSEN PAULINE 20 HOHENSTAUFEN JAN 1893 BREMEN JAN 1893 002

Hi Guys,

I am overwhelmed! I have been unable to log in for some time and sudenly find that you have all been beavering away on my behalf. Very many thanks to you all. I will print off a copy of all of this and set myself the task of analysing everything before I make any certain responses.

My grandfather, Conrad Parleyman Pedersen, was himself born in Sydney ( 1901 census) and had four sons (three mentioned in the 1901 census, and the fourth, my father, was born in 1902)

My father was Walter Rendell Pedersen, and died as a result of war service in 1943. Between you you have found the right family - I will make a very carefull examination of all the rest.

I have a lot of work to do. Very many thanks to everyone who has contributed.

Mike .