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Hi thanks for all your help, but how can I be sure that I have the right James and William? I would hate to be going off on a tangent and getting a branch on the tree that was not really ours, if you know what i mean.
The dates of marriages etc do seem to fit and I am not sure whether to try for birth certs or marriage certs, sorry to sound really whiffy on this one but it has got me so undecided due to the number of william and James orrells I know were about at that time, advice would be appreciated. many thanks. m.

WILLIAM ORRELL Pedigree
Male Family



Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH MOSS Family
Marriage: 05 JUL 1879 Adlington, Lancashire, England



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record

unfortunately the registers for St Catherine not on line but this is from lancsbmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854
ORRELL James Hewitt
LIVSEY Elizabeth
St. Catherine,Wigan

Adlington not on line either

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1879
ORRELL William
MOSS Elizabeth
St Paul, Adlington

confirmation of one marriage from the parish registers

Marriage: 30 Oct 1825 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Orrell - of Parish of Wigan
Elizabeth Hewett - (X), of Parish Of Wigan
Witness: John Bradshaw; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: G. Goodwill Curate
Register: Marriages 1824 - 1827, Page 141, Entry 421
Source: LDS Film 1885691

Hi, sorry for not getting back to you sooner but I started getting all confused with the names all being the same and I had to sort out my notes etc to try and get my head clear. David I think you have got me the names of the next generation!! because this is how it looks to me what do you all think???
William Orrell married Elizabeth Hewitt October 1825
Their Son James Hewitt Orrell married Elizabeth Livesey 1854
Their Son William Orrell married Elizabeth Moss 1879, he died and she remarried to Charles McKenna. I have noticed that it was very popular to use the mothers maiden name in one of the childrens names and I know that James Father was called William soooooo do you think I am on the right track. Your opinion will be appreciated...gosh I feel like Poirot or maybe it should be miss marples!! cheers M.

Hi,
just to let you know i decided to look at births, I thought I would try John, as I know there are quite a few William Orrells, so went for 2 years before and after date according to census and guess what there were lots, so I am re-thinking.
I have also found a marriage for james Hewitt Orrell but I have also found a marriage c1848 for James Orrell and Dinah Leatherbarrow! so i will keep ploughing through all your ideas. I also think James married again as there is an entry on 1891 census with wife listed as Mary and they live on Petticoat lane, it has been re-named but in small letters it clearly says petticoat lane. So...... On I go..... many thanks once again. regards M

are we talking about Petticoat Lane in Ince? Is this your james remarried to a Martha?

James ORRELL Head M Male 40 Ince, Lancashire, England Contractor (Colliery Coal Merct)
Martha ORRELL Wife M Female 42 Aspull, Lancashire, England
Jane A. ORRELL Daur U Female 15 Ince, Lancashire, England Cotton Mill Reeler
John ORRELL Son U Male 12 Ince, Lancashire, England Scholar
John MOLYNEUX Visitor U Male 6 Ince, Lancashire, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 46 Petticoat Lane
Census Place Ince In Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341903
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3777 / 117
Page Number 51


EDIT
probably not as the james & Martha marriage was in 1860

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
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BERRY Mary Chorley 8e 607
MORRIS William Chorley 8e 607
MOSS Elizabeth Chorley 8e 607
ORRELL William Chorley 8e 607

Hi,
thanks to you all, i need to study what notes I have as there are a number of Orrells and they seem to use a lot of similar names, ie. William and James, I know that my William (son of James) married Elizabeth Moss, I got the birth cert for their daughter, my husbands grandmother, but would you believe that there were two william Orrells one born 1856 and one 1857 married in the same year both to Elizabeths!!!!!!!! So thanks again, I will go through and check on all your ideas. I will let you know how I go on. regards. M.

Longshot:

The other male on the 1854 marriage is a John Davenport, on the 1861 there is one in Wigan c1830 with wife Eleanor and eldest child aged 6. So Elizabeth Livsey would be my longshot bet.

WILLIAM ORRELL

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH HEWETT
Marriage: 30 OCT 1825 Wigan, Lancashire, England

In 1871 he is living next door to his brother John and his mother Elizabeth.

A birth certificate for one of the sons should give her name.

Three possible marriages??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1854 (>99%)
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Orrell James Hewitt Wigan 8c 67

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Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
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ORRELL James Wigan 8c 37

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Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Orrell James Bolton 8c 337

HAve you looked on the FreeBMD site for a marriage..failing that it's one of the childrens B/C

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

can anyone help please, I am trying to find the wife of james Orrell, he is listed on the 1851 census as living with his parents and then on the 1861 census he is widowed with two sons John aged 6 and William aged 4 they lived in lancashire the address was petticoat lane.
I don't even have a first name for her so I am finding it difficult to find information, thanks. M.