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Adopted Daughter of Gt.Aunt Lottie

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mrsbucket

mrsbucket Report 8 Oct 2009 13:56

trying to trace the family of Margaret Evans who was adopted by
Emlyn John & Charlotte Evans in the early 1900's

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 Oct 2009 18:54

In 1911 there is no Margaret Evans living with an Emlyn and a Charlotte.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Whole lot more info needed. Where? Does "early 1900s" mean 1903 or 1933? Is Margaret Evans her name after adoption?

Would this be the couple's marriage?

Marriages Jun 1909
COUND Joseph Bridgend 11a 1439
? EVANS Emlyn Joan Bridgend 11a 1439
HOBBS Emily Bridgend 11a 1439
? HOWE Charlotte Ann Bridgend 11a 1439

(with "John" mistranscribed?)

Do you have any idea at all what her relationship would be to the Evans couple? How old she was when adopted? It's her birth family you want to find?

If that's the case, do you have her date of birth? It might be unlikely that anyone other than the people involved at the time would know about her birth family, if they were not related ...

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 9 Oct 2009 15:37

Hi Angela - I found your thread.

Now click on the purple Reply button at the top and add a message here with the info you sent me by private message.

Easy peasy, once someone points it out. The site management doesn't really want you to know, we figure, so it makes it as hard as possible.

mrsbucket

mrsbucket Report 12 Oct 2009 11:32

Hi Janey,
Emlyn John Evans b.1889-1962 is buried in Hartshill Cemetary, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. My father tells me he came from Prestatyn.N Wales.
He was married to Carlotte (Cooper) my Gt. Aunt.
They adopted Margaret (?) as a an infant, around 1921-25.
Charlotte told Margaret at the age of 16 that she was adopted.
Margaret married (?) had 2 daughters who became Doctors, it is believed she lived in Silverdale, Staffordshire during her married life.
This is all that I have been told by my elderly father (89 years) old.
Angela

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 12 Oct 2009 20:24

So the problem is, there is no Emlyn Evans + Charlotte Cooper marriage in the records.

Also, no Emlyn John Evans born 1887-1891. There are several born 1901-1905.

The 1909 marriage I gave above would be just about the right time for someone born in 1889. It is the only Emlyn J Evans + Charlotte marriage in the records.

In 1901, there are Evans-s born/living in Prestatyn (Flintshire), but no Emlyn.


Just to be clear, you are looking for Margaret's two daughters / their families?

I have to be honest, I'm seeing too many missing puzzle pieces for us outsiders to be able to help much.

Margaret Evans is such a common name (do you know of a middle name?) ... we don't know even a close date of birth for her ... we don't know whom she married, or when or where ... And there are the things that don't check out, like the Evans + Cooper marriage.

Charlotte, adoptive mother of Margaret, was your dad's aunt? Did she and Emlyn Evans not have children themselves - so Margaret was their only child - your dad's (adoptive) first cousin?

Silverdale seems to be in what is now Stoke & Wolstanton reg dist. There are several Margaret Evans marriages 1940-1960 in what Ancestry calls Stoke and assigns to "Greater London", which I suspect is incorrect. ... Okay, crosschecking at FreeBMD (vol & page nos. after 1945), the district is Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. So her marriage could be one of those - *if* she married in Staffordshire - about a dozen possibilities 1948-1965. I haven't figured out what the district would have been before 1946.

No luck finding an Emlyn Evans to match yours, or married to a Charlotte (to match that 1909 marriage), in the 1911 census.

Ah, but, oddly, the 1891 census has an Emlyn Joan Evans. It actually says Emlyn Ivan Evans on the image, I would be fairly sure. Born c1884, Cardiff. I would suspect the same error in the marriage record (Charlotte Howe). Can't see a birth, though.

Maybe you could add a bit about Charlotte Cooper - her parents, where and when she was born. It could help find her marriage and thus identify the couple.


I'm afraid I'm a dead loss to you here. Maybe someone else will read this and be able to think of something.

mrsbucket

mrsbucket Report 19 Oct 2009 10:45

Charlotte Cooper was the daughter Moses Cooper & Emma, born in Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire in 1889.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 21 Dec 2010 23:40

This thread just came to mind in a discussion of something else so I'm just adding to it to boost it in my threads.

I've done a search for an Emlyn J Evans death in 1962, and there wasn't one.
There also wasn't an Emlyn Evans death in 1962 in Staffordshire.

There's no Charlotte Cooper in 1901 with parents Moses and Emma.
Nor is there in 1891, or 1911.

Maybe why:

Marriages Mar >> 1891
? Cooper Moses Stoke T. 6b 330
HARRISON Margaret Clinton Stoke T. 6b 330
Jevons Benjamin Charles Stoke T 6b 330
? Lakin Emma Stoke T. 6b 330

Births Jun 1890 ?
Lakin Charlotte Mabel Wolverhampton 6b 579

But no more luck there.


1911, finally

COOPER MOSES 1864 47 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
COOPER EMM A 1872 39
COOPER ALICE 1896 15
COOPER CHARLOTTE 1898 13
COOPER ELLEN 1900 11
COOPER ANNIE 1902 9
COOPER HARRY 1903 8

So ... "1889" should have been *1898*? All that searching ...

That would rule out a 1909 marriage, anyway.

Births Jun 1897
Cooper Charlotte Stoke T. 6b 207

The only marriage for that name in Stoke on Trent is:

Marriages Dec 1925
Brassington Lawrence C Cooper Stoke T. 6b 435
Cooper Charlotte Brassington Stoke T. 6b 435

There are births to that marriage in 1926, 1927 and 1933, and that Charlotte died in 1979 dob 1896.

Charlotte Cooper had younger sisters who could have been the mother of Margaret, as one possibility among many.


But there just isn't, anywhere, a marriage for Emlyn John Evans and Charlotte Cooper.


So this was just me, revisiting a past dud; and now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

mrsbucket

mrsbucket Report 2 Jan 2011 19:38

Could be that Emyln was middle name and John (Middle name) his first name....
Not aware of Gt. Aunt Charlotte ever being married to a Lawrence Brassington... bu if she had been, maybe Margaret was from this marriage, so therefore adopted by Uncle Emlyn (therefore taking his surname as Evans)
knew my Aunts as a child and never heard of Margaret being one of Charlottes sisters.... will keep searching
Thanks for your research, much appreciated

mrsbucket

mrsbucket Report 19 Sep 2012 16:50

Hi Janey,
Long time since communicated with you, just to let you know that I have finally found Margaret Evans and spoken with her..... she was adopted and raised by her birth Uncle John Emlyn Evans and my Aunt Charlotte (nee Cooper), she was born to her Uncle's sister.

Thank you for your patience and help with this one is was much appreciated

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Sep 2012 16:54

Janey has not used this site for a considerable period of time

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Sep 2012 17:00

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)

Evans John E Cooper Stoke T. 6b 624
Cooper Charlotte Evans Stoke T. 6b 624

mrsbucket

mrsbucket Report 2 Dec 2012 19:50

Thanks for those who tried to help me find my deceased fathers cousin, I have now traced Margaret and have spoken with her by phone, and still living in the Stoke on Trent area. ;-)