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Victoria

Victoria Report 11 Oct 2009 00:02

Hi
I am trying to tie up quite a few loose ends as I try and complete one side of my family so there may be a few posts from me over the coming days, so I apologise now, but this is like a final stab at finding the info as I have drawn a complete blank.

Thomas Lloyd Rogers born 1846 caernarfon (parents Hugh Rogers and Grace Samuel), married Elizabeth Pughe in 1875. I know they had 3 children, from a family history I have, Grace, who died of diptheria bu not sure what age, the history states she was 'a lovely sweet girl' so dont think she was a baby, and 2 sons, Elliot and another one who died in a lunatic asylum, but no idea when. Elliot appears on the 1891 census (born 1888 in Liverpool) living with his aunt Mary Thomas in Caernarfon, in 1901, Mary Thomas has a Frederick Elliot Rogers born 1888, Liverpool living with her, and I think this is the same child. Thomas Lloyd Rogers was a mariner so i assume he was away at sea with his wife which is why his son is with his sister. As for grace and the other son, i am struggling to find their births and death (in Grace's case), where am I going wrong? Both Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Pughe are from Wales, Caernarfon area and I assume they were only in Liverpool as it was a port hence Elliot's birth there. I cant find them on any census records so again am struggling with identifying their other children.
Vicki

Victoria

Victoria Report 11 Oct 2009 00:04

Sorry I should of added that I have found a number of inaccuracies with this family history I have!

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 11 Oct 2009 00:22

Hope you don't mind, Vicki. It's just to cut down overload.

Thomas Lloyd Rogers born 1846 caernarfon (parents Hugh Rogers and Grace Samuel),
married Elizabeth Pughe in 1875.

I know they had 3 children, from a family history I have,
Grace, who died of diptheria bu not sure what age, the history states she was 'a lovely sweet girl' so dont think she was a baby, and
2 sons, Elliot and another one who died in a lunatic asylum, but no idea when. Elliot appears on the 1891 census (born 1888 in Liverpool) living with his aunt Mary Thomas in Caernarfon,

in 1901, Mary Thomas has a Frederick Elliot Rogers born 1888, Liverpool living with her, and I think this is the same child.

Thomas Lloyd Rogers was a mariner so i assume he was away at sea with his wife which is why his son is with his sister.

As for Grace and the other son, i am struggling to find their births and death (in Grace's case), where am I going wrong? Both

Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Pughe are from Wales, Caernarfon area and I assume they were only in Liverpool as it was a port hence Elliot's birth there. I cant find them on any census records so again am struggling with identifying their other children.

Victoria

Victoria Report 11 Oct 2009 00:23

Thanks! tend to get a bit carried away trying to put all info I know down so no one repeats things I have found out!

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 11 Oct 2009 00:24

I assume you have certs that back up your info - such as Thomas's parents' names, & Elizabeth's surname?

If so, is there any other info; for example witnesses, etc?

Also how are you sure Mary is Thomas's sister if you haven't found him on any census? because she is a widow in 1891 so she's probably his sister-in-law if any relation at all.


Ozi

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 11 Oct 2009 00:32

For reference:
1891 Wales Census
Name: Elliott D Rogers
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Llanwnda
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanwnda
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Carnarvon
Sub-registration district: Llandwrog
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Thomas 52 farmer <<<<<<<<<
Minnie Nelson 17 - niece
Tillie Williams 15 - niece
Mary Williams 13 - niece
Mabel Pearson 11 - niece
Ada Pearson 9 - niece
Elliott D Rogers 3 <<<<<<<<<
Jane Thomas 17 - servant
William Williams 20
John Hughes 15

Victoria

Victoria Report 11 Oct 2009 00:35

I dont have certificates but I have this family history and also stories from my grandmother, so I know most of it is true.

I can find Thomas Lloyd Rogers and his family (father Hugh, mother Grace, sisters Mary, Laura, Margaret (my gt gt grandmother), Annie, Elizabeth, and brothers Hugh and Samuel) on the earlier census records. I have found the marriage registration between Elizabeth Yapp Pughe and Thomas Lloyd Evans 1875 on ancestry and the date etc matches my family history.

I am trying to trace Thomas L Evans following his marriage to Elizabeth Pughe, mainly to confirm who his children were and where they ended up. As far as I know Elliot inherited his Aunts farm, and came into alot of property. I just want to confirm this, also to find out about the daughter, and who this other son was. I have a photo and someone has tried to name the people on it and one of the male children is Arthur?? so a clue maybe? he looks about 3 or 4 on it and the photo is taken at the home of mary Thomas.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 11 Oct 2009 00:40

And this is Frederick?

Births Mar 1888
Rogers Frederick Elliott W. Derby 8b 494

Vicci

Vicci Report 11 Oct 2009 00:46

Births Sep 1846 (>99%)
Rogers Thomas Lloyd Carnarvon 27 317

Vicci

Vicci Report 11 Oct 2009 01:01

just for info

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)

PUGHE Elizabeth Margaret Y Liverpool 8b 425
Rogers Thomas Lloyd Liverpool 8b 425

Vicci

Vicci Report 11 Oct 2009 01:15

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
ROGERS Grace Howard W. Derby 8b 479

can't find her death

Victoria

Victoria Report 11 Oct 2009 22:16

Thank you all, really appreciate all the help