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Sidney / Sydney of Brinton Norfolk

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RobbieC

RobbieC Report 18 Nov 2009 23:23

My name is Robert Cozens. I am in the village of Brinton north Norfolk, my family has been here since the late 1700's, William Cozens b1770 married Sarah Sidney b1770 He was from Gunthorpe the next village, I am trying to find a lead on Sarah's Father's family of Sydney in Brinton or Gunthorpe? or a close village around here? He was John Sydney he married Sarah Turner, the only Turner I know of is from Thornage another vilage next to Brinton, Any ideas please?

Robert

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 19 Nov 2009 01:48

Just for info, this is a submitted record in the IGI which you have probably confirmed in parish records.


JOHN SIDNEY
Spouse: SARAH TURNER
Marriage: 25 APR 1770 Brinton, Norfolk, England


Aha, it's confirmed at FreeREG:


County Norfolk
Place Brinton
Church St Andrews
MarriageDate 25 Apr 1770
GroomForename John
GroomSurname SIDNEY
GroomParish Brinton
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname TURNER
BrideParish Brinton
BrideCondition Single Woman
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Edward
WitnessOneSurname DROZIER
WitnessTwoForename John
WitnessTwoSurname COPPY
Notes Marriage by banns
FileNumber 8249

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 19 Nov 2009 01:53

Have you seen this one? Just in aid of accumulating names - David is likely a son of John Sidney and Sarah Turner?


County Norfolk
Place Brinton
Church St Andrews
RegisterNumber 79
MarriageDate 08 Jan 1802
GroomForename David
GroomSurname SIDNEY
> GroomParish Letheringsett
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname GEORGE
BrideParish Brinton
BrideCondition Spinster
> WitnessOneForename William
> WitnessOneSurname COSINS
> WitnessTwoForename Sarah
> WitnessTwoSurname SIDNEY
Notes Married by banns
FileNumber 8249


They are also witnesses at the Oct 1802 marriage of Henry May and Sarah Randall.

William Cozens and Temperance Cozens were witnesses at the marriage of Robert Sidney (of Brinton) and Susanna Cozens in 1805.


Interesting that William Cozens and Sarah Sidney witnessed two Sidney marriages before he and Sarah Sidney married.


County Norfolk
Place Brinton
Church St Andrews At's
MarriageDate 02 Nov 1802
GroomForename William
GroomSurname COZENS
GroomParish Gunthorp
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname SIDNEY
BrideParish Brinton
WitnessOneForename Richard
WitnessOneSurname COMORE
FileNumber 8254

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 9 Mar 2010 17:34

So, okay, Robert, what I had asked was that you add a post to your thread (as I explained how to do -- the purple REPLY button up top -- not clicking on my name ) ... not that you send me a copy by PM of the content of the thread ... But with that, I did a board search for some of the words and found your thread ...

(You'll find that the helpful helpers I mentioned who hang around here mostly hate conducting the conversation by private message. If it is done by adding posts to the thread in question, all the information is visible at a glance.)

One thing I neglected to do was give the url for FreeREG

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

in case you want to do more searching for parish records there.


So it seems you were looking for living members of the Sidney/Sydney family rather than ancestors.

Have you tried searching trees here at GR for surname Sidney born in Brinton?

There are 3 GR members in the results list - yourself and 2 others. Very coincidentally, one of them (initial W) shows as someone I've had contact with in the past. So I checked my inbox, and sure enough, I contacted him back in 2005 in connection with what turned out to be a false trail in connection with my famous (here at GR) gr-grfather Ernest Hill/Monck. ;) Anyhow, that was almost 5 years ago, so I don't know whether he's still active here; and you might know those other people already anyway. If not, it's worth trying to contact them I'd think!


I also did a quick search of censuses at Ancestry for surname S*dney born in Brinton. Not many.

Name: Robert Sydney
Spouse: Ann
Birth: abt 1821 - Brinton, Norfolk, England
Residence: 1891 - Mile End Old Town, London, England

Name: William Sidney
Spouse: Frances
Birth: abt 1806 - Brinton, Norfolk, England
Residence: 1881 - Fakenham and Alethorpe, Norfolk, England

Name: Charles Sidney
Spouse: Rachel
Birth: abt 1810 - Brinton, Norfolk, England
Residence: 1871 - Briston, Norfolk, England
Name: Charles Sidney
Birth: abt 1810 - Brinton, Norfolk, England
Residence: 1871 - Brinton, Brinton, Norfolk, England
(I didn't investigate, but looks like some sort of duplication)


That's it -- Charles, William and Robert, with William and Charles at least looking like siblings, in various years.

To find their children and then grandchildren, etc., it would take some searching back through the censuses to find the three men in their younger days, with children in the household, and then tracing the children forward. However, 1871 seems to be the earliest they appear with place of birth as Brinton.

... So ... I tried some searching.


Robert's tricky. I don't see a good match in earlier years (in 1901 he's in East Ham).


William Sidney's household:

1841 Colkirk
William Sidney 30
Frances Sidney 30
John Sidney 4
Francis Sidney 3

1851 Fakenham
William Sidney 45
Frances Sidney 43
Robert Sidney 14
Frances Sidney 13

It's Frances, a daughter; in 1861 the son is Robert John Sidney, so that explains that; in 1871 he is gone and daughter Frances is still with the parents.


Actually, I am finding earlier records for S*dney born in Brinton, don't know what was wrong with Ancestry the first time.

Charles, though, a bit confusing.

In 1851 we have, in Brinton,

Robert Sidney 71 - born Brinton
Susan Sidney 70
Charles Sidney 40 - son, unmarried
William Turner 69 - born Sharrington
>> in fact William Turner is in a completely separate household


But ... this may be interesting, because it's a Turner in Brinton, one of the things you were asking about to start with. (I see you have a William 1725 born Brinton or Thornage in your tree.)

... Right, well, you have Charles, William and Robert in your tree, so they're evidently known to you as family. So I guess the thing to do is what I suggested above, track them through censuses, find their children if any, then find their children's marriages and children, and theirs ... and see whether there are any descendants now living!


Btw -- you opened your tree to me. I'm not looking at it. Finding one's way around someone else's family tree is most often an exercise in frustration. ;) Also, it is not usually wise to open your family tree to complete strangers, as I am. There may be personal info in it about yourself or other people that is best kept private, just for privacy and also because of all the risks associated with one's identity these days. You should go ahead and close your tree to me again.

Any info that is relevant to your question/search here, you should include in this thread, so that anyone who might help or, you never know, is related, can easily see it!

Flick

Flick Report 9 Mar 2010 17:38

Robert Today at 16:41 Request review
I belive that a John Cozens who lived in Rudham west Norfolk between Fakenham and Kings Lynn was from Gunthorpe and was son of Richard Cozens a Farm Ballif and his wife Sarah nee Chapman of Edgefield. Richard and Sarah had severel children . They were my Gt GT GT Grand parents, I still live in the area ,Is there any one in the Rudham ,Wells, Whighton or Walsingham areas who is related to John Cozens and may be a brother of his who worked and lived in the Rudhams as Farm Laboroughs on a large Estate probably the Townshends Estate? If so I would be pleased to hear from you and link the families?

Cheers

Robert Cozens

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Flick Today at 16:52 Request review
Try search trees for links on here.

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**Stella ~by~ Starlight**★..★..★ Today at 16:56 Request review
i have Laban Couzens from Norwich in my tree..

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JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 9 Mar 2010 17:42

Flick, I'm not following - is this from another thread somewhere?

Could you give the thread number?

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 9 Mar 2010 17:48

Right ... on a search of TTF for

cozens norfolk


John Cozens of Rudham Norfolk
I belive that a John Cozens who lived in Rudham we
Robert 09/03/2010 16:56:38 2 replies

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1209448

Sidney / Sydney of Brinton Norfolk
My name is Robert Cozens. I am in the village of B
Robert 09/03/2010 17:42:33 5 replies

Richard and Sarah in Gunthorpe
Hello , does anyone have a Richard and Sarah Cozen
Robert 08/09/2007 17:04:31 0 replies

Robert or Sarah in Brinton
Hello, Does any one have any family in their tree
Robert 08/09/2007 16:53:56 0 replies

Trying to find Cozens
Secondly is the Taunton conection A great Aunt of
Robert Cozens 10/03/2005 14:10:34 0

Trying to find Hanson
Some of my family emigrated to Canada in the 1930'
Robert Cozens 15/03/2005 23:56:16 0

Trying to find Cozens?Cousins
If there is any one with the name Cozens or cousin
Robert Cozens 19/02/2006 16:48:05 0

Trying to find Cozens
I am still trying to locate my GT.GT.Grandfather
Robert Cozens 01/06/2006 15:41:45 0

Trying to find Turner
My name is Robert Cozens, I am in Brinton north N
Robert Cozens 15/02/2007 11:39:26 0

Trying to find John Sidney of Brinton
My name is Robert Cozens. I am in the village of B
Robert 15/02/2007 11:54:37 0


Tooooo many posts about the same things. Fortunately, it looks like nobody had gone before me with the same searches.

Now, hopefully, you see how it's done, Robert. Concentrate the conversation in one thread, add messages to it when desired, don't start new threads unless they're about something unrelated (as it seems your new Cozens thread is, unrelated to this one.)

Flick

Flick Report 9 Mar 2010 21:20

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1209448

But, as Robert ( a long-standing GR member) seems not to be returning to the boards, it's all academic.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 9 Mar 2010 21:41

I should have been clearer for anyone else reading -- it had just been me 'n Robert here til then, and I hadn't seen the other thread today. ;)

Robert PMed me today to say thanks for the info here and to inquire further about what I had posted here. I replied that I hadn't the least clue what he was talking about! and could he please post in the thread so that I would find it when I clicked "my threads". Instead he sent me a c&p of the thread contents, which wasn't what I wanted -- I just don't do genealogy by PM -- and opened his tree to me. So I did a board search and retrieved the thread, and added to it, to mark it.

Robert, you *did* post in another thread on the boards once I see, so you know how to do it! It is very wise to reply to messages people add to your threads, so they know you saw/appreciated info, or to answer questions, etc.

RobbieC

RobbieC Report 18 Jul 2011 14:12

Hi Flick, THanks for your help Yes I'm sure that the Rudham cozens's are same ,sons of Richard and Sarah Cozens of Gunthorpe 1750's era .We would love to find where Richard was from and further back in the Cozens line, a Cousin of mine is coming to see me this week , we are going to the N R O for a day to see what wqe can find. sorry I've not replied but seldom look here tthese days as a lot of info' has dried up and I've had other tings on my mind.

cheers

Robbie :-)