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Hello LA............It's a bit iffy to be honest...There is a very clear passage of Census returns for Catherine Thorp from 1851-1881.which show he birth as 1815 Bretby.

I have the marriage of CATHARINE DUCKERS to WILLIAM THORP 30.08.1836 Liverpool St Annes..in which the witnesses were John Duckers and E Duckers..as well as Georgiana Duckers, who is clearly the sister of Catharine.
Catharine died 27.08.1881 and is buried in St Wystan's Repton..and there is a photo of the gravestone......

So far so good...BUT..whatwe now call Bretby.a hamlet in the Parish of Repton, was then known as BRADBY.....but the PR's of Bradby appear only to be Baptisms
and only from 1766...There is NO Catharine Duckers 1815!!

JOHN DUCKERS married MARY FALKNER at Repton 08.05.1802...........and had the following children baptised at Bradby:-

Born 17.07.1803...Baptised 05.02.1804.........Mary
Born 16.02.1805...Baptised 01.09.1805 William
Born 03.12.1806....Baptised 03.05.1807.........Martha CATHARINA..........
Born 1 .04.1808....Baptised 06.11.1808..........John
Born 04.08.1810 Baptised 18.11.1808.........Matilda Ann
Born 30.07.1812 Baptised 06.09.1812.........GEORGIANA..
Edward Baptosed 03.12.1816

The baptism of Georgiana must refer to the same person on Catharine's marraige entry...........so proving the parentage of Catharine..............but which Catharine?

I'm going to search for any other possible information on Maria Catharina.......and I'm also interested in who the E Duckers is on the same marriage entry....

more later
PS..you will note a significantly even pattern of Births from 1803 to 1812..which suggests a birth about 1815 is missing!

Derek

EDIT.......Some interesting background.......1841 William and Catharine Throp (Thorp) are in Repton with two small children..one of who is Georgina!..William is a BUTCHER (god you love Butchers don't you!!)....but living with them is Catharine's brother EDWARD a Clerk. Interstingly he is shown aged 20..Catharine is shown as 25....we know Edward is in reality 25..so could catharine also be older?

Have found Matilda Ann...everything adds up there..in 1861 she is single aged 45 ..a housekeeper in a very posh establishment in mayfair..in 1871 she is married to John Chapman a builder and is living in Mayfair.
She died 07.01.1888 and left £1730.14.2d in her will!!

Hello again Derek, hope all is well with you.

Can you please try and find details of parents and siblings of

Catherine Duckers born 1815 Bretby I believe. She married William Thorp in Liverpool 1836. I think her parents were John and Mary but as this is from an Ancestry tree it will need checking. She died 1881 in Repton and is buried in St Wystans.

Many thanks.

Only the ones who don't want to be found :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D.

Yawn..bored ..I suppose there are a few people left in Derbyshire.. :-\ :-\ ;-) ;-)

Thanks Derek. I thought that might be the case but just checking before I lay him to rest.

Hello Gooner..............we've been here before, and pretty well everything is known about his life after the Ashbourne wedding to Ann Tunnicliffe.but nothing before.
A large number of Trees on Ancestry all say the same thing........bearing in mind that most of them are simply copied, without bothering to research..it is still odd that NOBODY has him.
I can tell you that he is not in the Repton Baptisms, and the marriage to Ann does not state any parents. I can only assume that like so many annoying little so and so's..he was not baptised.
I notice that the tree that you sent me has no mention of him either.
I think I have to admit defeat on this one.
Derek.

Hi Derek, another Measham for you,

William born 1746 Repton. That is all I know about him except that he married Ann Tunnicliffe in 1773.Any names for parents at all ? I believe they had at least 4 children Gilbert(he married Mary Meakin), Elizabeth, Henry and William. Can you check their baptism dates for me and also see if there were any more as it seems a small family for this lot :-D.

Thank You

Thats brilliant Derek, will look into the 2 marr you found for me.
Thank you so much
Judith

Hello Judith..just to let you know that I am not ignoring you........but I haven't found an answer yet..........
I have found the marriage you mention, together with five baptisms at Ellastone of children of John and Mary Williamson between 1824 and 1836..which dates suggest that these are your John and Mary, with out completely proving it.
At Mappleton I cannot find a baptism for John.........don't forget the information that John was "from" Mappleton means only that he was living there at the time of his Marriage..........not that he was either born or baptised there.........

However, there are two Mappleton marriages of potentially the correct (or near) time-scale, that MIGHT give you a lead to parents of John Williamson born c.1800.
The are:
John Williamson and Melisent Foster married Mappleton 13.09.1783
George Williamson married Ellen Woodhouse at Mappleton 16.12.1788.....

Either of these might ring a bell or two..

all the best

Derek.

Derek, can you help me please? John WILLIAMSON married Mary Smith on the 31 dec 1821 in Ellastone, staffs. On the parish records it states he is from Mappleton, derbyshire. He is born c1800 and died quite young 1847. I have his death cert.
Would really like to know who his parents were and if he had siblings. Dont know how to go about this. Can you help? Thanks

Thank you very much Derek :-)

Hello Gwen..difficult,,because there is a gap in the Mellor Marriages seem to end in 1775..... However..it is not beyond the bounds that they married at Glossop in 1769...

I offer you the following as a possibility. no more...
James Wild married ANN ASHTON at Glossop 19.12.1769...his brother:
John Ashton married Mary Wooley on the same day..their father's name was Samuel Wild.

It might sound a bit early, but not impossible.

Jesse was baptised as you say 11.02.1788
Margaret was baptised 14.05.1793..died 24.05.1793
Mary was baptised 17.04.1805
There may be some earlier baptisms at Glossop...........in my experience very large families were bred over a very wide number of years.......

But as i said..its my best guess at the moment.

Derek.

Good Evening Derek,
Please could I ask if you could find anything for Jesse Wild, he was baptised : 17th Feb 1788, Mellor Derbyshire his parents are: James and Ann Wild, if poss, would you be able to track down Anns maiden name ...Regards Gwen

Ah now that ties in. Many thanks Derek I am still trying to look for any clues that I can find to give us a direction to follow.

Yep..that's exactly right..it was that William that was born 1747..and the information on that particular Tree is supported by Parish Records......I'm trying to find out if Elizabeth Stanley was previously married.....

Hi again Derek, I have been browsing at trees on Ancestry and found that someone on there has Gilbert Measham born 1776 born to William Measham and Ann Tunnicliffe.(they married Ashbourne) Ann died 1779 ? and he remarried Elizabeth Mowbray in 1779 and proceeded to have 2 children Henry 1780 and William 1788.

What do you make of this revelation :-S :-S :-S :-S.

Thank you Derek, William is yet another popular name in this lot :-D. Hmmm the plot thickens ;-) I wonder if we will ever sort this lot out.

Hello LA........I think we might have to accept that Gilbert Measham ( Measome) 1747 born Repton is a bad mistake, and is probably responsible for your own years of frustration.
He is definitely NOT in the Repton Baptisms, as far as they are readable........I have today confirmed that with three hours in the Matlock Records Office.

However, the marriage of Gilbert Measham to Elizabeth Stanley is incontrovertible.
as is a baptism of William Measham at Repton in 1747..........whilst at the same time there is no appropriate baptism at Repton for Elizabeth Stanley......

An idea i have, and which i am now attempting to give substance to, is that William Measham 1747 MIGHT have been a sibling of Gilbert Measham..and that Elizabeth Stanley may have been previously married when she married Gilbert...which could mean tha they both might have been considerably older that 1747.........................

Evening Derek, just had chance to look for that Gilbert and Elizabeth and cannot find where I got it from. Maybe this is wrong then and I got it from an unreliable source without checking it. Very unusual for me :-| :-| :-|

Can't remember the source Derek. I have not worked on them for so long that I will have to dig out all my notes and see if I can find where I got it. Bear with me I have had a big exhibition on yesterday and today and need to get my archive at the History Society in order as everything just got dumped in there after clearing the hall.
In the meantime can you please keep looking at the family for me and see if we can sort the Gilberts out.

Been in touch again soon