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Hi Cherilyn, thanks for that. Will try the trove. Didn't know you couldn't get the certs :( what a pain!!! Regards Linda

Hi Linda
You could try checking the newspapers at NLA Trove for a marriage notice.
Otherwise I am really not sure; you can't apply for a Qld marriage cert of another party if it was less than 75 yrs ago... :-(
Sorry
Cherilyn

Hi Cherilyn, How are you? I know this is outside the dates you cover (marriage between a Graham and Austin in Qld, c 1952/3), so could you advise me as to where to look to confirm the dates, and how to then order the cert? Regards Linda

I thought eldest son John must have died but this looks like his wife's death notice! in Western Australia!

The West Australian, Thursday 16 November 1950
CARTMEL: On November 14, 1950, passed peacefully away, Annie Maria, widow of the late John George Edmund Cartmel, devoted mother of George and Gladys (Mrs. S. A. Beavis). Privately interred in the Anglican portion of the Karrakatta Cemetery. Arthur J. Purslowe and Co.

John died 23/11/1936 aged 67. He lived in North Perth. Annie was 79 when she died; her maiden name was GILLMAN. See www2.mcb.wa.gov.au

They had a son named George Edmund; he married Evelyn Mary CLARKE in 1926 and died in 1958 aged 60. Daughter Gladys Myrtle married Stanley Arthur BEAVIS in 1929; they divorced in the 1950s. I have found living Beavis rellies if you are interested in following up this branch.

NZ marriage:

1868/6488
Hannah Jemima Wicks
Edmund Charles Cartmel

and births of 2 chn:

1869/26804
Cartmel John George Edmund
Hannah Jemima
Edmund Charles

1871/30689
Cartmel Isaac Charles
Hannah Jemima
Edmund Charles

Star , Issue 295, 24 April 1869, Page 1
E. C. CARTMEL BEGS to inform his Friends and the Public of CHRISTCHURCH that he has on hand a large assortment of HATS, CAPS, AND LADIES' AND GENTLEMEN'S SILK AND ALPACA UMBRELLAS, Of the latest LONDON STYLES, which he intends selling at astonishingly low figures as follows
BLACK BELL-TOPPERS, from 12s 6d to 22s
WHITE BELL-TOPPERS 16s 6d g g g
BLACK and DRAB WIDE-AWAKES, best quality 7s 6d g g 5
TWEED HATS and CAPS, from 3s 6d
E. C. CARTMEL
(From Richards and Co., Strand, London),
HATTER, CASHEL STREET
(Three doors from Colombo Street).

Press, Volume XVIII, Issue 26080, 11 September 1871, Page 2
BIRTH.
CARTMEL.—On the 7th instant, at her residence, Worcester street, the wife of E. C. Cartmel of a son.
[Source: PapersPast]

They arrived in Victoria in Aug 1872, aboard TARARUA II.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 29 November 1950
CARTMEL, Francis William.-November 27, 1950, Yaralla Hospital, beloved husband of Edith, and loving father of Ted, aged 77.

Ted may be the Edmund F CARTMEL who married in Ashfield NSW to Dulcie V BAILEY (reg 11104) in 1929.

An Edith Mary CARTMEL died in 1954 in NSW. I can't see their marriage.

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In case you don't have it - their parents' death in Victoria:

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Edmund Chas
Event: D
Father: Cartmel Jno
Mother: Fanny BAXTER
Age: 67
Death Place: Fitz N
Year: 1914
Reg. Number: 9559

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Hannah Jemima
Father: Wicks
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place: CWELL
Age: 94
Year: 1936
Reg Number: 8078
Event: D

Search at http://tributes.theage.com.au/obituaries/theage-au/ for notices for Colin, Joan and Albert Noel...sadly, Colin died very recently, only in June 2012. :-(


From Ryerson Index http://ryersonindex.net/search.php/
CARTMEL Albert Noel Probate notice 24JAN2006 Publication late of Narre Warren North [known as Noel]
CARTMEL Colin Bruce Death notice 26JUN2012 Publication
CARTMEL Joan Death notice 29JUL2001 Death

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Isaac Chas
Event: M
Spouse Surname: BONE
Spouse Gvn Names: Percy Rose [b. Melbourne]
Birth Place: CHRISTCHURCH
Year: 1897
Reg. Number: 415

Surname: BONE
Given Names: Percy Rose
Event: B
Father: James Henry
Mother: Lavinia JONES
Birth Place: HOTHAM
Year: 1868
Reg Number: 24846

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Percy Rose
Father: Bone Henry
Mother: Lavinia Vict UNKNOWN
Death Place: BELG
Age: 90
Year: 1959
Reg Number: 20292
Event: D

Chn:
Alma Dorothy Victoria b. 1898 Collingwood, m. Harold Leslie ALLEN 1928 [he was born 1889 in Lorne, Vic; served WWII; d. 1972], d. 1987 Vic
Violet Myrtle b. 1900 Collingwood, m. Geo Arthur ELSWORTH 1938, d. 1989 Vic
Reginald Chas b. 1903 Abbotsford [served WWII], d. 1988 Vic

Violet was a music student, and teacher, at the London School of Music in Melbourne. It was her first marriage; George's 2nd. He divorced his first wife Elsie Adelaide Julia (nee LORD) in 1937; they were married in 1925 and had one child (a son named Gerald). George died 7 Aug 1942, aged 55. She did not remarry.

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Isaac Charles
Father: Edmund Charl
Mother: Hannah Jemima WICKS
Death Place: HEID
Age: 87
Year: 1959
Reg Number: 4924
Event: D

NB Percy died in January 1959 and he died in April that same year. Both memorialised at Springvale, see http://smct.org.au/ - all 3 chn there too, plus Nellie and Albert below.
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Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Albert Edmund
Father: Charles Edmu
Mother: Hannah Jamima WICKS
Death Place: MURR
Age: 86
Year: 1963
Reg Number: 282
Event: D

His marriage:

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Albt Edmund
Event: M
Spouse Surname: BUTLER
Spouse Gvn Names: Nllie
Year: 1915
Reg. Number: 2383

Chn:
Albert Noel 1916 Hawthorn (he was a teacher)
Colin Bruce 1920 Hawthorn

His wife's death:

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Nellie
Father: Butler Joseph
Mother: Sophia HARRIMAN
Death Place: MURR
Age: 83
Year: 1970
Reg Number: 3345
Event: D

her birth?

Surname: BUTLER
Given Names: Nellie
Event: B
Father: Joseph
Mother: Sophia WOODS
Birth Place: PRAHRAN
Year: 1886
Reg Number: 21127

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Marriage of Albert Noel CARTMEL, son of Albert & Nellie:

The Argus, Monday 29 August 1949
Cartmel-Gordon
The groom's brother, Mr Colin Cartmell, was best man at the wedding in Church of Christ, Gardiner, on Saturday, of Joan, only child of the late Mr. G. K. Gordon, and of Mrs H. Gordon, of Glen Iris, and Albert Noel, eldest son of Mr and Mrs A. E Cartmel, of Hawthorn.
The bride's white frock was cut on classical lines, and she wore a veil of point l'Anglaise lace on Brussels net over tulle, which formed a train. Her two matrons of honour, Mrs J. Pope and Mrs P. Duncan, wore blue crepe frocks, and her bridesmaid, Miss Heather Butler, wore white georgette.

I have found contact details for a son of Albert's, and the wife of Colin (still living); if you are interested, send me a PM and I will forward to you.

Out of interest, a letter to the Editor that Joseph had published:

The Argus, Thursday 22 March 1945
Sir: The statements of Lieut. Colonel English regarding conditions in the Mallee and his summing up of the politicians who seem to think it is their duty to hide truth from the city people make interesting reading. It is refreshing to find a cultured and much - travelled Britisher telling his readers so many home truths. As one who has travelled extensively in north-western Victoria, I agree with our English critic that a coat of paint is better than whitewash to brighten up our country towns. I also think politicians who represent country areas should pull their heads out of the sand and open their eyes to what is really going on, instead of following the lead of the chief ostrich.
-J L. CARTMEL (Melbourne).

Above and death notices from NLA Trove.

Sorry, Dan, no luck at all with William. More so with the Cartmel's, however:

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Jos Layton
Father: Chas
Mother: Jemima WICKS
Death Place: MELB
Age: 74
Year: 1953
Reg Number: 3305
Event: D

The Argus, Monday 30 March 1953
CARTMEL, Joseph Layton of 41 Davidson Street, North Richmond. On March 29 loved husband of Lilly and loving father of Ernest (deceased), aged 74 years, late of Tattersall's Club and 1st A.I.F.
-At rest.

He was buried at Preston Cemetery www.gmct.com.au/our-locations/preston-public-cemetery.aspx#

His wife Lilly's death:

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Lilian Agnes
Father: Mitchell Hugh
Mother: Maria ALVIS
Death Place: KEW
Age: 76
Year: 1959
Reg Number: 8493
Event: D

Her birth:

Surname: MITCHELL
Given Names: Lilly Agnes
Event: B
Father: Hugh
Mother: Maria ALVES
Birth Place: CARL
Year: 1880
Reg Number: 20904

Their son Ernest's WWII enlistment:
CARTMEL ERNEST : Service Number - 12543 : Date of birth - 15 Aug 1900 : Place of birth - CARLTON VIC : Place of enlistment - MELBOURNE : Next of Kin - CARTMEL JOSEPH

Father's address as next of kin was 435 Napier St, Fitzroy (same address you have). Inexplicably, Ernest also enlisted as Robert CARTER (16439); he was charged with fraudulent entry:
CARTER ROBERT : Service Number - 16439 : Date of birth - 15 Aug 1900 : Place of birth - CARDIFF WALES : Place of enlistment - MELBOURNE : Next of Kin - CARTER JOS

Born as Mitchell:
Surname: MITCHELL
Given Names: Ernt
Event: B
Father: Unknown
Mother: Lily MITCHELL [she had another son born 1899, he died 1899 unnamed]
Birth Place: CARLTON
Year: 1900
Reg. Number: 17465

There is a possible marriage for Lily/Lilian as Lilian MITCHELL, born Carlton, to Sydney PREACHER in 1901 (reg 5791), no children. He was born in Sydney. I can't find a marriage for her to Joseph - possibly they never formally married.

Son Ernest's marriage:
Family Name: CARTMEL
Given Name: Ernt
Spouse Family Name: HALL
Spouse Given Name: Amelia Barbara
Registration Year: 1923
Registration Number: 8788
Event: M

The Argus, Saturday 25 April 1942
CARTMEL.-On April 24, Ernest CartmeI, of 41 Davidson street, North Richmond, dearly loved son of Joseph and Lilly Cartmel, aged 42 years -At rest. (Private interment.)

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Ernest
Father: Cartmel Jos
Mother: Lilly MITCHELL
Death Place: N RMOND
Age: 42
Year: 1942
Reg Number: 3798
Event: D

Death of daughter of Ernest & Amelia:

Surname: CARTMEL
Given Names: Jean Ellen
Father: Cartmel Ernt
Mother: Amelia Barbara HALL
Death Place: FITZ N
Age: 2
Year: 1926
Reg Number: 13762
Event: D

Amelia remarried to Herbert Jas MORRISON in 1942 (reg 19131) and died in 1981 aged 78 in Reservoir, Victoria, daughter of Alfred & Josephine (reg 17009).

I was wondering if you could be of some assistance?

I am looking for a William John Jennings born June 1, 1882 ( STAFFORD, Staffordshire, England) parents Theophilus Jennings and Sarah Ann (nee Moore).

My mother remembers her parents getting letters from New South Wales from William. She remembers that her had at least 2 daughters. (but she could not remember any names) She said that they were about her age. (mom was born in 1919 and her sister in 1920).

In the American civil war pension application of Theophilus Jennings there are several letters dated between the years of 1909 and 1919. In these letters Theophilus refers to having a son in Tasmania and later in New South Wales.

There are no other references to any other of his family members going to Australia. I would suspect that William probably went to Australia between 1900 and 1909 via Tasmania and then New South Wales.

I realize that this is not much to go on. I any help or hints would be much appreciated.


I do have another branch of my tree that went to Victoria Australia. I have some info on his children

1-Joseph Layton Cartmel b 1878 (Collingwood) d 1953 Melboune. I have a first name of a wife named Lilly and 1 child (no other info)

Lived at 435 Napiers St, N Fitzroy, Victoria when he enlisted March 21, 1916
15th reinforcement 21st battalian
Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A9 Shropshire on 25 September 1916

2- Albert Edmund Cartmel b 1876 (Collingwood) d 1963 (Murrumbeena)
No marital of children info

3- Francis William Cartmel b 1973 (Collingwood) d 1950 (Bankstown NSW)
Enlisted Point Cook Victoria Australia Service #462
Series # A9301 located in Canberra
Bar code 426348

4- Issac Charles Cartmel b 1872 (Christchurch NZ) d 1959 (Heidelburg, Victoria)
Lived at 27 Rose Street, West Brunswich, Victoria

Enlistment date 16 June 1915
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A68 Anchises on 26 August 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Lance Corporal
Unit from Nominal Roll 23rd Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 21 July 1917

Issac married Percy Bone 1895 (Melbourne) 3 children all born in Collingwood
ALMA 1898 (married a Harold Allen)
VIOLET 1900 (married a George Ellsworth)
REGINALD 1903

No other info

If any info is available on my Cartmel relatives I would appreciate it.


Thank you

Dan Murphy
Canada

thanks, will keep trying. Just want to know what happened to her for my mother.

Hi Julia

Their migration record:

CARDOZO Cyril Lewis born 10 November 1924; Lilian May (nee White) born 6 May 1929; travelled per aircraft departing UK on 30 August 1965 under the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme

But I can't see any children or deaths in Australia. Nothing on Ryerson.

Sorry
Cherilyn

hi I would appreciate any look ups for my great aunt. Lilian M Cardozo nee White. she emigrated to Australia with her husband Cyril in the early 1960's but have never heard of her again. it is rumored that her husband came back to uk but she never. i don't know if she died or divorced him and remarried. if they had any children or anything. i don't know where they emigrated to. she was born in 1929.
thanks Julia

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Thank you for looking for me, Cherilyn. He is somewhere but where?

I have found that he was born in Kent and emigrated on the Beejapore.

His grandmother's maiden name was Wisdom! So ,added a little more to his story.

Thank you again.

Reece