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Hi Cherilyn,

Thank you so very much for your time , your help has been most appreciated. What you have found is a real help and You found far more than I expected.

Kindest Regards Kiwibird

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Hi Cherilyn

Thanks for the information on HARBIN in Qld, something new I didn't have. Would you also be able to check NSW, WA and Vic please for anything on HARBIN.
Thank you.
Briony

This is interesting...
www.obits.com.au/notice/Muriel-Theresa-Godding

Yep, sure enough, there's a birth reg for a Muriel Teresa GRANT in Carlton in 1920 to Daphne Teresa GRANT, father not stated (reg 19880). :-D

austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=8491347
austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=8491346

Muriel's first marriage (he died in 1967):
10402/1946 BRUNKER EDWARD HORACE / PENGELLY MURIEL TERESA / BURWOOD

BRUNKER EDWARD HORACE : Service Number - N205121 : Date of birth - 07 Aug 1913 : Place of birth - BURWOOD NSW : Place of enlistment - BURWOOD NSW : Next of Kin - BRUNKER ROSE [his mum]

Her 2nd husband Leslie Robt Frank GODDING (known as Bob) was also married previously (in 1941 to Beryl Ruth McDONALD).

Francis Herbert PENGELLY married Daphne Teresa Muriel GRANT in Victoria in 1924 (reg 4796).

Daphne's death notice is listed at Ryerson so you can request a lookup, should hopefully mention any children by name.

PENGELLY
Daphne Theresa
Death notice
11FEB1974 Death
[aged] 76
late of Camperdown
Sydney Morning Herald 13FEB1974

Hi Kiwibird

WWI service record:
PENGELLY Francis Herbert : Service Number - V79754 : Place of Birth - North Melbourne VIC : Place of Enlistment - Melbourne VIC : Next of Kin - (Father) PENGELLY William Francis

Now this disputes your info that Wm died in 1908, as Francis' enlistment in 1918 aged 30yrs and 7 months gives his father as next of kin, address as 3 O'Shannassy St, North Melb. Francis was single, and a cooper by trade. A document in his record states his parents as alive and is signed by both Wm & Isabella. His birthdate is given as 20/1/1898 and birthplace the O'Shannassy address. He was discharged at his own request due to the war ending. There is a letter on his file dated 1933, requesting a copy of his discharge, where his address is shown as 72 English St, Camperdown NSW.

He then enlisted in WWII (fudging his age by 5 yrs so he could!):
PENGELLY FRANCIS HERBERT : Service Number - NX19886 : Date of birth - 20 Jan 1903 : Place of birth - MELBOURNE VIC : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY NSW : Next of Kin - PENGELLY DAPHNE

His death in 1955:
2718/1955 PENGELLY / FRANCIS HERBERT / WILLIAM / ISABELLA / NEWTOWN
His wife's death?
42249/1974 PENGELLY / DAPHNE THERESA MURIEL / WILLIAM / ANNIE


Kiwibird, looks like 'your' Wm Francis PENGELLY died in 1937 in North Melbourne, aged 73 (reg 2607), son of Wm Francis (who may be the one who died in 1908!) and Mary Jane nee SEAL. Found his birth in 1863 in Hamilton, Vic to those parents (reg 20741). He was one of 8 chn born to them 1856-1875. Wm F snr and Mary Jane arrived in Victoria in Oct 1854 aboard 'Panama' aged 23 & 22 respectively. By the by his wife is shown as Isabella on all records (not Isabell).


Possible marriage for daughter Isabell in NSW?
5523/1928 HUGHES CLYDE / PENGELLY ISABELL / SYDNEY

Hi Briony

Only immigration to Qld that is close:
HARBON Fred 21 Hereford 25 Aug 1883 176 18480 Z1960 M1699

Birth of Peter HARBIN to James & Margaret (nee ROBERTS) in 1864 (reg C946), then Andrew HARBIN to James & Catharine (nee OLIVER) in 1895 (reg C5571) but latter died the same year (C1701).

Are you sure they were in Qld?

Hi Cherilyn

I'm researching the HARBIN family in Australia. When you have time would you please be able to see what BMD you can find for that name in Queensland please.
Thankyou for you help.
Cheers
Briony

Hi Cherilyn , Happy New Year

Please Could you possibly find any marriages, children or deaths for this Brother and Sister.( I spent 2 hours on Ancestry at my local library yesterday without any joy.)

Isabell Pengally b, 1894 Hotham, Victoria and Francis Herbert Pengelly b,1898 Hotham, Victoria

Their Parents were William Francis [Francis William] Pengelly b,? d,1908 and Isabell Wright b, 1863 Ballaret East, Victoria d,1951

Could not find any other siblings.

Any help most appreciated.

Thank you, Kiwibird <3

Thank you for looking Cherilyn, I'll investigate further. :-) Happy New Year to you too.

Hi Marian

Sorry I can't see them at all. Maybe they were adopted out, given their young age when mum Sarah died? If Jas could not cope (or certain ppl thought he couldn't/wasn't) then the children may have been taken into care. So names may have been changed, making it near impossible.

Nor can I find Jas Wm's death. Do you know where Eliza was buried? Worth checking Cheltenham Cemetery to see if she is there and if Jas is with her. Might give us more to go on. :-)

Happy New Year!

Hi Cherilyn
Could you take a look at the Victoria records for me. James William Hill married Sarah Horsley in 1874. They had the following children:
Kizier 1874, Charles 1876, Jane 1878 - 1879, James 1879 – 1900, Henry 1881, Albert 1884 - 1884, Olive 1884 – 1884 and Sarah 1885. Sarah snr died 1885 and James remarried to Eliza Walsh nee Boyd. I have their marriage certificate. I cannot find any records for Kizier, Charles, Henry or Sarah and am wondering what could have happened to them. I know when Eliza died - 1929 - but not James. I did have a recent thread about James but not the above children. Thank you.

Happy New Year everyone! :D

Thanks C

I think Claire needs to buy some certificates

Gin x

Thanks, Gins, had a go but didn't find much :-\

Sorry Liz, no sign of him. It is possible he died on the way over. Pretty harsh conditions onboard in those days :(

Not sure how you could find out? Maybe order a copy of the passenger record from NSW Records online?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1316161?jump=1316161

Please could you cast your expert eye on this one

Thanks C :-)

Hi Cherilyn,

Could you please help me I am looking for any information on Nicholas Stubbersfield b 1808 London, parents Nicholas mother Mary Parker I found him in the 1841 as a grocer and not with any of his family, have not found him in any other census. I found that he went to NSW arrival was 7 Oct 1849 aboard the Sir Edwin Paget but have not managed to find anything further are you able to help please!!!

Thank you
Liz

Nudge, I was hoping to find something for Alexander Spence! It is so hard to find any info for him to date. Hopefully, I maybe lucky in the new year! :-D :-) :-( :-S

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