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Sorry i hadn't looked back at your edits lol...

Hmmm does look interesting. Do we have a marriage of a Currell to a Warby to match the parents, i take it it's her mother thats married John?


Tracey x

So the light has come on ???

>>:;))

??... LOL


T xx

Read last message ,bottom of page one where I have posted census from 1901 and 1891 following Ethel Warby on 1911 back....

Viv

you said....

"There do not appear to be any Ethel M marriages other than the one you have in 1911,and of course Ethel Marshall Warby was born as Ethel Marshall Currell"

Ethel's father was John Warby, where have you got the Currell name from?

The Ethel that is Ivy's mother doesn't have a middle name, i'm fairly certain she was born that way...but then i know very little currently and i hate it!!


Tracey x

Hey Gillian

Sorry not long finished work!

Yes the marriage in 1911 states Gardener, but the birth cert in 1920 states Plate Layer.

What i am unsure of if the marriage is the same couple having the child.

Why marry in 1911 and not have children til 1918/1920.. . War maybe?

Maybe he came out of WW1 with a different trade?

Hmmmm, maybe i'm now thinking out loud, have to go check WW1 records now.



Tracey x

At the marriage in 1911 John Payne is described as a gardener -or have I misread your opening post, Tracey? No reason why he shuld not have gone on to become a platelayer in 1920 is there?

I think this will be your Ethel Warby born in Ware marriage.

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Warby Ethel Brand Ware 3a 1893

There are only 4 Ethel Warby births between 1880 and 1902 anywhere in the country and one birth and marriage has been accounted for I think,the one in ware,so 3 more to rule out.

Births Mar 1882
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Warby Ethel Louise Brentford 3a 62

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Births Jun 1885
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Warby Ethel May Islington 1b 355

Births Dec 1899
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Warby Ethel Maud Islington 1b 259

Check this space for edits .....

Ethel Louise.

Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Warby Ethel L McKerchar Pancras 1b 49


There do not appear to be any Ethel M marriages other than the one you have in 1911,and of course Ethel Marshall Warby was born as Ethel Marshall Currell,

I only thing I find strange is that children didnt happen for 7 yrs after that marriage if it is the correct one,but maybe they didnt want any straight away.

Thanks Dea,

I think like Maria Liggins, i have found another anomoly!!

Typical, these rellies are London based and i can find nothing on the London Parish Records online!!!

Can only happen to me


T x

Hi Tracey,

Would love to try to help but have had my 1 year old grandson all day and am quite kn***ered!!

I have bookmarked your thread and will have a good look tomorrow when my brain has recovered.


That's if Viv has not already solved it !!

Best regards,

Dea Xxx

Nope i know nothing about them at all...... i only knew their names from 3rd hand data!.... Obviously thats been proven by the certs.

My Nan (Ivy) died when i was 11 (she was only 62), so i wasn't really old enough to know stories of the past!

They are a massive black hole for me.... Grrr


Tracey x

When did Ethel and John die?
Do you know?

I have been editing on page one,sorry.

Hey Viv.

How weird you reply as i looked on the site.....

I have found an Ethel Warby (without a middle name) as per BC of Ivy, the 1893 one in Ware.... So i've ordered that one.

I can see this being a very expensive hunt!

I still cannot find anything to discount the marriage i found and the birth of Ivy are linked.


Tracey x

Hmm,there seems to be no birth to correspond to this.

Ethel Marshall Warby age 28 in 1911 as per M/C,

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1901

WARBY, John Head Married M 45 1856 Gardeners Labourer
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1857
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Ethel Daughter Single F 18 1883
Luton
Bedfordshire
WARBY, Alfred Son Single M 15 1886 Gardeners Labourer
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Alice Daughter Single F 12 1889
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Charlie Son M 9 1892
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Robert Son M 6 1895
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Edith Daughter F 4 1897
Hatfield



Ha !
1891

WARBY, John Head Married M 36 1855 Labourer
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1857
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
CURRELL, Maud Stepdaughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
CURRELL, Ethel M Stepdaughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Luton
Berkshire
WARBY, Alfred J Son M 5 1886
St Albans
Hertfordshire
WARBY, Alice E Daughter F 2 1889
Hatfield
Hertfordshire


Sept 1882 birth.

Currell Ethel Marshall Luton 3b 427

Hey Viv,

Thanks for that i flaked before you....!!

I'm not discounting this marriage actually being the right one! Maybe he left the railway to please his dad and then by 1920 he's gone back to the railway?

I looked at that John Payne before.... in 1901 being 19 i think he's just not home maybe?

It def needs loads of brain work!

I'm heading to work myself so i'll be checking in as and when i can today!

Thanks for your efforts so far!

Tracey x

I will have to look at this again tomorrow Tracey,I am too tired now.

But someone may have solved your prob by then of course.

There is no John with Jabez and co in 1901 is there?

But there is in 1891.

PAYNE, John Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Clifton
Bedfordshire

1901

PAYNE, John Boarder Single M 19 1882 Railway Porter
Clifton
Bedfordshire

So we have to find this one on 1901 and 1911 then,have you?

But John Payne i have is a Railway Platelayer.... i cannot imagine him being a Gardener only 9 years later? I suppose it's possible?

Anything is poss isnt it,maybe he had enough of railways and joined his fathers trade ?


John payne born 1882 ish

Yes thats him....

....he vanishes to a new life somewhere hot, Bahamas, Bermuda or something similar. Never to be seen of again...


T xx