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I just found the same Glover children. Sheila is there also.

Births Jun 1936 (>99%)
GLOVER Sheila Leicester Todmorden 9a 294

Christine

thanks Christine

jan i dont know what to say mum said it was a farmhouse they lived in but not a working farm at a place called flowsker hill not sure of the spelling she said it was in the middle of the moors when she went to see them in the 60s they had moved to town nellie was dead then

?death index
Name: Ellen Glover
Death Registration Month/Year: 1964
Age at death (estimated): 56
Registration district: Todmorden
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 432


born about 1908 so that doesnt work with the above marriage 1918
edit see below think age should be 66

all seems to fit except maiden name leicester is 1918 the marriage date

only William death in that district
Name: William Glover
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1984
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: Todmorden
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 4
Page: 1022

yes 1918 marriage so this Ellen would have only been about 10 so will look for later one

will have to see if mum can remember when i see her tomorrow looks good though

i have been trying all day for a lead to john&elizabeth but nothing comes back they have to be somewhere but i dont know were

found 2 births for nellie jones 1901 oct/nov dec, 8d 632 &1902 jul/aug/sept,8d 623

just looked at death image and i think it should be 66 for Ellens age which would then work with the 1918 marriage i.e born about 1898 ,
then this birth
Name: Ellen Leicester
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Oldham
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 653

BUT how does this fit with Jones family??

are you going to get Jones /Lockhart marriage cert?

it doesnt does it what is it about my family

wonder who this is ?
Name: Norman L Jones
Spouse Alice Leicester
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1945
Registration district: Oldham
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1912

if the 1901 was her she would have been 17 at marriage not unusual in them times and in her sixtys when she died just a thought

no idea on the norman l jones

well with your mums info it looks like ellen was perhaps known as Nellie!
the Ellen birth Oldham i found looks like this one in 1901. so mother Mary is a widow born in Ireland ??does she then marry a Jones making Ellen a stepsister to your grandad?? also right age for death cert you have
Name: Ellen Leicester
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Oldham

Name: Mary Leicester
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Head widow
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland********
Civil parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire

1911 could someone take a look at this census please
HOUSEHOLD LEICESTER ELLEN F 1899 12 Manchester Lancas

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
LEICESTER Ellen
Oldham Below Town
mmn = MANNING

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898
LEICESTER Peter
MANNING Mary
Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended

there are also these 2 with mm = Manning

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
JONES John Edward Oldham Below Town

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1912
JONES Thomas Oldham