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1851...There is a large gap between the children,some may have died but it could also mean a remarriage for John or Mary?

What does it give for Marks mothers name on his birth cert?

SMITH, John Head Married M 36 1815 Shoe Maker
Milbourne
Derbyshire
SMITH, Mary Wife Married F 34 1817
Fazeley
Staffordshire
SMITH, George Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Shoe Maker
Birmingham
SMITH, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848
Birmingham
SMITH, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 1 1850
Birmingham
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2057 Folio:
590 Page:
40

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
Saint Marys Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bishop Ryder

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
17, Court 3 House, Aston Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

I do this so I can see the details in front of me...I am sure you have it already,but it makes it easier to work on..

ihave them on the 51 aswell with a george and a hannah

yes thats them i think

1861 then.


SMITH, John Head Married M 46 1815 Cordwainer
Melbourne
Derbyshire
SMITH, Mary Wife Married F 44 1817
Fazeley
Warwickshire
SMITH, Emma Daughter F 11 1850
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SMITH, Mark Son M 8 1853
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SMITH, Fanny Daughter F 5 1856
Birmingham
Warwickshire
SMITH, Sarah Ann Daughter F 0 (10M) 1861
Birmingham
Warwickshire
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2146 Folio:
87 Page:
25

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
4 St Peter Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bishop Ryder

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
32, Vauxhall Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

sorry fanny i got mixed up with my smiths and lewises his name is john a cordwiner or shoe maker . ithink he was born 1815

You said that Marks father was called Thomas on his marriage cert,not John.

Can you give the 1861 census that you have him on with parents please?

And the details from his birth cert?

hi all can some one please check i have the right marriage for marks parents i have found mary hall john smith stokesey 24 541 dec 1837.
but she comes from fazeley staffs and he comes from milbourne derbyshire. just want to be sure i havnt missed a nearer match this seems along way from home especially when the settle in birmingham thanks zena

hi whilst your there thought you like to know hannahs first husband died of smallpox in the workhouse thanks again for all your help it is appriciated x zena

Nice to know we lot can get some things right Zena.

Thanks for letting us know.

If you need more help on this line just pop a message on here and I am sure one of us will try to help.

fanny you were right his certificate just come.from the marriage certificate his father is called thomas not mark as i though it also matches a birth certificate i sent for and thought was the wrong one hopefully you'll read this regards zena

thanks to you both i think i pressed delete by mistake zena

this is all new to me thank you for finding it for me fanny ill work on it all x zena

Only to get his marriage cert for fathers name to try and track him back to get a more accurate year and place of birth.

His middle names could have been added at baptism,or he just fancied them.

you work quicker than i can type thanks

do you mean 1855 barbara

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
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Smith Mark Birmingham 6d 129

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Births Jun 1855 (>99%)
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Smith Mark Birmingham 6d 211

i wll send for that now thank you have you any you any ideas about marks birth

There are a couple of later birth - perhaps he said he was older as Hannah may have been older.

Wife and kids 1901

1901 census transcription details for: 184, Newhall Street, Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2846 Folio: 120 Page: 32


Reg. District: Birmingham Sub District: All Saints
Parish: Birmingham Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Pauls City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 184, Newhall Street, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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SMITH, Hannah Head Married F 49 1852 Shopkeeper Bookshop
Coventry
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Samuel Son Single M 29 1872 By Cycle Finisher
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Lauria M Daughter Single F 20 1881 Jewellers Stud Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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SMITH, George Son Single M 18 1883 Bicycle Finisher
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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SMITH, Alma H Daughter Single M 10 1891
Birmingham
Warwickshire

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