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The distraction I had yesterday, was a contact via the tree with a Caroline Smith. Decided wrong Caroline as her father Thomas, but she was born in Monken Hadley, same as GLW. Not that big a place, so must be a link somewhere. Wondered if Samuel and Thomas could be brothers, but, my Samuel with Caroline, Matilda and Sophia all linked to Surrey.

Please remember I do not have a tree in front of me. You are able to enter what you find into a tree and see it.


That was the first mention of Judith.

Why have you not mentioned you had her before?

Next question is where on earth is it?

History
Monken Hadley was originally a civil parish of Middlesex forming part of a small protrusion into Hertfordshire. In 1889, under the Local Government Act 1888, the civil parish was transferred to Hertfordshire. Under the Local Government Act 1894 the parish was split with a Hadley parish becoming part of the Barnet Urban District, while the remaining part of the parish became part of the East Barnet Urban District of Hertfordshire. In 1965, under the London Government Act 1963, its area was transferred to Greater London and combined with that of other districts formerly in Hertfordshire and Middlesex to form the present-day London Borough of Barnet.[1]

Hi,
Have got GLW born 1792. His son GLW with 1st wife Judith, christened 1824, you just mentioned. Who is the 3rd please.
Of these 2, GLW 1792 assuming my William's father, as GLW 1824 too young, therefore GLW 1824 my William brother. Both on latest message.

Other children of George and Judith in that parish

1. ELIZABETH MARY WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JUL 1820 Monken Hadley, London, England

2. HARRIET WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 JAN 1822 Monken Hadley, London, England

3. GEORGE LANGRIDGE WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 JUL 1824 Monken Hadley, London, England

4. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 FEB 1842 Monken Hadley, London, England

GEORGE LANGRIDGE WILLIAMS Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 25 JUL 1824 Monken Hadley, London, England


Parents:
Father: GEORGE WILLIAMS Family
Mother: JUDITH


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record


C048731

There were 3 Charles Langridge Williams. There was father and son.
That showed on one of the records I posted earlier.

Hi Lady kiri,
Thanks for baptisms for Matilda and Caroline. Matilda is older than I had thought, in fact 11 years older than her husband. On 1851 census, which I know 100% is correct family, shows Matildas age as 25, which is where I got her birth year of 1826. Doubts keep creeping in, but all the paperwork seems to show she is the correct Matilda. It would mean there would have to be 2 George Landgridge Williams and 2 Smith families with father Samuel and daughters Matilda, Caroline and Sophia. Surely unlikely. So confused. I really hoped that I could find someone else with same sisters and father, and check spouses for them., to confirm same as mine.
Thanks again for help. I will keep checking here today for any responses. Yesterday was distracted by another possible link via messages.
Gill

MATILDA SMITH Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 SEP 1817

Christening: 10 OCT 1817 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL SMITH Family
Mother: SARAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C013342

These 2 are in the same batch as children of Samuel and Sarah

1. MATILDA SMITH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 OCT 1817 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

2. CAROLINE SMITH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 MAY 1819 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

CAROLINE SMITH Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 22 APR 1819

Christening: 21 MAY 1819 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL SMITH Family
Mother: SARAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C013342

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BRYANT, Shittleworth
Address: 8, Frederick Terrace, Newington, Surrey, Lambeth
DIDDEAR, Charles Head Married M 51 1800 Theatrical
Deal
Kent VIEW
DIDDEAR, Betty Wife Married F 38 1813
Clerkenwell
Middlesex VIEW
DIDDEAR, Louisa Daughter F 14 1837
Bloomsbury
Middlesex VIEW
BRYANT, Shittleworth Lodger Married M 55 1796 Secretary To The Devon
Newport
Essex VIEW
BRYANT, Mary Wife Married F 25 1826 Slater And Granite Comy
Melton
Suffolk

so married Mary Stearne

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
BRYANT Shuttleworth 88 Woolwich 1d 59[41]

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
BRYANT Shuttleworth St Pancras 1 328
Cannon Thomas St Pancras 1 328
Farquhar James St Pancras 1 328
Fendick Hannah St Pancras 1 328
Froy Sarah St Pancras 1 328
Martin Richard St Pancras 1 328
Stearne Mary Ann St Pancras 1 328
Strachan Ann S Pancras 1 328

marriage of the witness with unreadable signature to one of these.

Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%)
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Williams Sophia Greenwich 1d 319

1871 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Percival
Address: King Square, St Luke
YEATES, Horatio Head M 37 1834 Ireland VIEW
YEATES, Kate L Wife F 37 1834 Ireland VIEW
YEATES, Jessie J Daughter F 6 1865 Ireland VIEW
YEATES, Horatio A Son M 5 1866 London VIEW
YEATES, Geo F Son M 0 1871 London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Percival Workman M 21 1850 Kent VIEW
BASSELL, Elizth Servant F 23 1848 Not Known

1881 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Percival
Address: 34, Myrtle Street, Hackney
WILLIAMS, Percival Head Married M 31 1850 Telegraph Engineer App Mkr
Woolwich
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Mary Jane Wife Married F 24 1857 Milliner
Shoreditch
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Florence Eleanor Daughter Single F 2 1879
Hackney
Middlesex

Please post census details as requested that you are sure abot so I can compare addresses etc.

On the same page of the register

william williams minor batchelor surveyor soutuh bank father George langridge Williams builder

matilda smith full age spinster south bank father samuel smith deceased

Witnesse

James Pat???in
Gilly Johns?

george langridge williams widower builder Albany Street father John Williams deceased also a builder

sophia smith spinster south bank father samuel smith gentleman deceased

witnesses ? williams
Matilda Smith