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Am trying to find anything on George Brett – father of James (1858) and of George (1849), James appears on the 1881 and 1901 censuses living in Barkingside, James was married in Bethnal Green in 1878 and George is down as his father, other than that I can’t find anything at all. George junior (1849) died in 1915 aged 66 in the Edmonton area.

For ref..

Name: James Brett<<Labourer
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Sarah Maria Willis
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Apr 1878
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Brett<<Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Willis

Is this him in 1881?

Name: James T. Brett
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah M.
Gender: Male
Where born: Rye House, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Back of Fairlop Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married

And 1901

Name: James Brett
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Nk, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Ilford
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Barking Side
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Rye House, Hertfordshire

Rye House, a very ancient mansion, which stood in the parish of Stansted on the road to Hoddeston, is very much celebrated in the history of England. It was built as a castle by Andrew Ogard in the reign of Henry VI. In the early nineteenth century part of the building (which at that time served as a workhouse to the parish) had both battlements and loopholes, and was likely the gate of the castle .

The house is interesting as it was supposedly the site intended for the assassination of Charles II in 1683. At that time the house was teneted by one Rumbold, a maltster, who had served in the army of Oliver Cromwell. Rumbold was involved in a plot to kill the king and he suggested a plan to his fellow conspirators to assassinate Charles on his yearly visit to Newmarket to watch the races - Rye House being on the road the king would take. Rumbold suggested they overturn a cart on the road by Rye House, forcing the king's carriage to stop, and then fire upon him from the hedges, making their escape afterwards via back lanes.

Fortunately for Charles, the conspirators were caught, and the assassination never eventuated.

Only 3 births in Herts for that name on Freebmd between 1855 and 1860


Births Dec 1855
Brett James B Stortford 3a 177
Births Dec 1859
BRETT James Bp Stortford 3a 187
Births Mar 1860
BRETT James Bps Stortford 3a 188


And George

Births Sep 1849
BRETT George Bishops Stortford 6 456

Fans

Im not convinced that the name for James father is George.

Take a look at the image it's the first letter thats confusing. Compare it an occupation on the marriage above....

...cant read that either!

Compared to a father George on another marriage on the same page I make it George Gin...

Just more scrawled.

But thanks for making me look again....Sigh


Cant see them on 1871/61/51 though.

Wonder how Richard found out about brother George 1849?

I wonder if this is George


BRETT, George Inmate Widower M 64 1847 Formerly Cottage Carman Herts Brent Pelham VIEW

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Edmonton Enumeration District:
56 Parish:
Edmonton

Address:
77 Bridport Road Upper Edmonton County:
Middlesex

Putting the 1891 just in case you haven't got it

Hamer Brett
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah M
Gender: Male
Where born: Brent Pelham, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Ilford
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoby
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hamer Brett 34.......Says James on the image
Sarah M Brett 31
James H Brett 7
Ester Brett 6
Richard J Brett 3
Jane Brett 1

1911
Now says he was born Barnet...

BRETT, James Head Married M 58 1853 General Labourer Middlesex Barnet
BRETT, Sarah Wife Married
33 years F 51 1860 Essex Barkingside
BRETT, Richard Son Single M 24 1887 Railway Porter Essex Barkingside
BRETT, Jennie Daughter Single F 22 1889 Essex Barkingside
BRETT, George Son Single M 17 1894 Farm Labourer Essex Barkingside
MARTIN, Sarah Niece F 10 1901 Essex Barkingside
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9861 Reference:
RG14PN9861 RG78PN521A RD191 SD2 ED12 SN29

Registration District:
Romford Sub District:
Ilford Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Ilford

Address:
Maypole Road Barkingside Ilford Essex County:
Essex

Nope.
Nothing can I find.

A birth cert will be needed I guess for mothers name.

This is a possibility. It dawned on me that workhouse occupants are mostly listed by initial.

J B
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Hendon, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Chipping Barnet
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Barnet
ED, institution, or vessel: 3h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 100



or this one

William James Brett
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Pauper Child (Pauper)
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil parish: Watford
Ecclesiastical parish: Watford St Mary
Town: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: Watford Union Workhouse
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:

It would be nice if Richard came back with some input..

Cynthiaaaaaaa.....

I sent Richard a PM asking about George and why he was thought to be brother to James.

PM

its just an assumption, I have a memorial card for George Brett who died in 1915, it was amongst my dads possessions, my great grandfather was james born in 1858 - so this George is too young to be James' father. As James' father was also George, I assumed it wasnt an uncle either.

hope that makes sense!

sorry Fanny/everyone, I’m relatively new to this (and the etiquette of these boards). You’ve certainly dug out a lot more information than I previously had, it seems my great-grandfather appeared confused at times as to where he was born and when. You certainly have the right James, and the discrepancy of James’ birth might be the reason I haven’t found much on his father. Thanks so much, I’m going to have to try and analyse what I now have and give it my best shot.

In the 1911 census James changed his date of birth to 1853, this tallys with a death record on freebmd (1921, barkingside/romford) there are a couple of results of a James being born around Brent Pelham/royston/buntingford/great hornmead (right area, right time) in the 1861 and 1871 censuses – I think they might even have George as father.