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Hi Ann

Thanks for taking the time to check this.

I wasn't sure I hadn't seen this one before, and have bought a copy of the census this evening. However, its not the right one - it relates to James Bolton aged 2 and his father is referred to as a horse slaughterer from Tewkesbury called James.

Our James Bolton was married in 1913 in Cardiff and his father is listed as John Bolton on his marriage certificate. His WW1 records also refer to a brother, also called John born 1914, Cardiff. There is no son called John on this 1891 census.

Once again, many thanks for trying

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Name: James Bolton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Merthyr, Glamorganshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-District: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical Parish: Pentrebach
Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Glamorganshire

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Name: James Bolton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birthplace: Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-District: Central Cardiff
Parish: Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire

I wonder if anyone can help

I've not able to progress James Bolton's family tree, due to lack of birth certificate. I've been in touch with GRO and Cardiff Register office but nobody can find his birth certificate given his father is named John Bolton, Stonemason on his marriage certificate of 1913:

I'm now trying to find details of Catherine Fraser married to James Bolton above

Can anyone find a birth date -her parents were William Fraser and Catherine Bond but have not been able to verify this

Its got to be Cardiff, my husband is not aware of any Irish ancestry - its a big family and there is no connection to Ireland as far as we are aware. My brother in law said his father loved to boast of his 'Welsh Roots'. Is there any chance you can come up with some info which can take this forward with a view to finding his parents? Many thanks

Hi Helen,
Yes I deleted it - as explained later because Mort thought I was posting about the footballer!
Adamstown is referred to in the army stuff that someone posted for you on page 1. However, the census info gives two possible James in 1901, one born Cardiff , the other born Ireland.
Janice

Hi Janice
Don't have your earlier post - did you delete?

Not sure what Adamsdown refers to but the current Boltons are Cardiff based and there is an Adamsdown

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Just to add to the confusion, the place in Cardiff is called Adamsdown - with a 'd'; however there is an Adamstown in Ireland.

Mort, WW entries check out could you provide some more info. Also wonder if anyone can provide details of James' parents

Mort you are doing just fine. Also thanks to everyone else for their kind help. I'm sending details of WW entries to 'cousin' Carol and will let you know very soon. Hoping that if this checks out with her records we may be able to trace his dad! Speak soon x

So sorry for the confusion over the Yorath family, Sorry Janice, i was getting things very mixed up. Please accept my apologies. I think for me as my grandparents were married in 1948 and my grandparents are still alive, it worries me a little. Though i love hunting out information. Looks like i wasn't as good as i thought ha ha ha ha. My great great Aunt was Clara Poulton and she married into the Yorath family in Cardiff. But she had a very sad life. And that seemed to carry on through her family as they did not prosper much on the Docks here in Cardiff.

Helen i have posted a little information on a James to do with his miliatry, please can you let me know if any of it is right.

Sorry again all
Heidi

These are extracts from a previous thread. I know having several threads causes confusion and apologies for this. The James I am searching for is the father of James Bolton 09/12/1988 - 26/03/1972. James Bolton (1988) was married to Catherine Frazer and he was born out of wedlock! She said he has army records and was in WW1.
My husband’s cousin has spent 6 years trying to find out who James (1988) parents were. She said on James wedding certificate shows his father named as John.
I will attach some extracts from previous threads (so there is no duplication) showing likely parents in Merthyr Tydfil, and Ireland but she is convinced he came from South Shields.
Extract: “could this be him....

1891
Name: James Bolton
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach
Town: Heolwermwd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Bolton 30
Mary Ann Bolton 29
Mary Florence Bolton 8
Bessie Bolton 6
Catherine Bolton 5
James Bolton 2
Thomas Llewn Bolton 8/12
George Freeman 24
James Hickory 22
Annie Morgan 15

did he die in 1972?

There's also a Jas Bolton born 1890 in Ireland living in Glamorgan in 1901.......

Name: Jas Bolton
Age in 1901: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Merthyr
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais St John
Town: Dowlais
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
James Bolton 60
Elen Bolton 38
Bathomlew Bolton 16
Mary M Bolton 14
Jas Bolton 11
Patrick Bolton 6
Peter Bolton 3

do you know if he was in the Army in WW! as there are some records on line too...
was his wife called Catherine?”
I wonder if anyone can come up with a link to South Shields?

Hi Mort
Terry Yorath is not the same as the football player. He and his wife Mary died many years ago. Mary was born in 1921

Heidi,
Sorry - have removed. Sorry I know nothing about football but thought someone who married 67 years ago would be OK as an example. Pretty impressive if he's still playing football!
Apologies,
Janice

Hi all.

Don't mean to put a low things but there is some personal information listed on here that i'm not sure should be not be here. The marriage concerning Yorath the gentleman listed is a rather big football star and still very much with us. I am related to the Yorath's by marriage going back to a great Aunt and i'm a little concerned that there is private information being posted, i'm sure no one would mind this going in a PM.

Regarding the military information i had to agree James would be too young for a birth of 1899 as he married in 1913.

So i hope this helps
James joined the Monmouth Royal reserve Engineers, on the 13/01/1909 and listed his brother John Boulton of 18 Humpfrey Street Cardiff as his next of kin. He later changes this to wife Catherine.
Catherine Fraser married James on the 8/11/1913 at Cardiff Reg Office, witnesses James and Mary Ellen Sullivan.
There are two children listed,
Child before marriage
WILLIAM JAMES BOULTON FRASER 17/10/1911
JOHN 7/9/1914 both born Cardiff.
James was listed as Blue eyes, Dark brown hair, 5 foot 7inches, 119 lbs weight and was a Roman Catholic. He was a platelayer? (this needs to be double checked quite hard to read) and was born in Adamstown Cardiff. And his army number listed is 5687.

Hope this helps, if you would like a copy let me and i will send you my e-mail address in a PM.

Good Luck with everything
Heidi

When you say James Bolton 1899c you dont mean the James that married Catherine do you?

He would be too young.

Who is James and where was he born?

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I am making reasonable progress with the tree but there is confusion as to who James Bolton's parents were. James was born around 1899 and I thought his father was from Merthyr Tydfil however my husband's cousin thinks he was called John from South Shields. She has army records which say he was born in glamorgan, also a marriage certificate. She thinks John Bolton was a stonemason. Can anyone throw any light? I'll try and get more information such as date birth, death, marriage

Hi Helen, you could also try putting the names into the search box above to see if anyone on this site has them in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner. Cx.

Sorry Ginny, its me..... lets start again. Can you throw some light on the decendents of

Bolton Henry Fraser Cardiff 11a 782

Bolton John Fraser Cardiff 11a 916

Bolton Kathleen Fraser Cardiff 11a 714

Bolton William Fraser Cardiff 11a 1031

Bolton Mary J Fraser Cardiff 11a 856

Bolton Helen M Fraser Cardiff 11a 742

Bolton Albert Fraser Cardiff 11a 685

Bolton Elizabeth Fraser Cardiff 11a 685

Bolton Henry Fraser Cardiff 11a 645

Bolton Michael T Fraser Cardiff 11a 582

Bolton Terence Fraser Cardiff 11a 594

Bolton Thomas Fraser Cardiff 11a 591

Bolton Margaret R Fraser Cardiff 11a 492

Bolton Patrick Fraser Cardiff 11a 493

You have posted all the children of James and Catherine (Siblings to each other)

Am I having a Friday moment and got the wrong end of the stick!

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