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Tracey is having trouble posting at the moment.

Hi Tracey,
Hoping you can help my thread ref is 1249904
Many thanks
Linda

Yes, Tracey ... that's a gold beater. ;) And that's how a gold beater would meet a cutler's rellie, probably, if cutlers used gold leaf. Now why a goldbeater would be staying in an inn on census night ... maybe there was a travelling poker game.

I've been combing the 41 and 51 censuses for somebody living in Greyfriars and/or born in Kirkcaldy who might fit the bill for Ann (Helen ...), but to no avail. If I could stop mistyping Greyfriars it would likely help. I just keep thinking of this Supreme Court case ... one time, I could not figure out what a person there was talking about when they kept saying the case name ee-VAN-o-ay. Didn't matter, I just waited until I saw it. Ah, I said: *Ivanhoe* ... Ivanhoë in French. The person then told me about the case they'd discussed in the office for a long time -- the Grey-yeh-yes case ... until they found out how to pronounce Greyeyes in English.

Hi Tracey

Would appreciate it if you could look for the baptism of

Janet MONCUR c.1773 hopefully in Strathmartine Dundee, Angus

also if you are able, could you check her marriage to David RAIT 12 Aug 1793 Dundee ...would welcome full details

many thanks
Gill

Janey,

A Goldbeater was a person who worked with a Goldsmith, the beater would form the gold into goldleaf.


T x

mgnv -- is that the dad's aunt whose death you found in the Drouin collection??

Mind like a steel trap, mine.

Oh, I missed that, he was a carrier! Well that's the right people, pretty certainly. So where's Ann then ... must be Helen, and lying about her age. Or they moved someplace and had more kids and didn't bother baptising them ...

No, I don't imagine gold beaters were millionnaires, but it sounds like a skilled trade. Twenty (or more) years seems a long time to spend in the workhouse just because you're poor! And his trade was noted in both 51 and 61. Maybe just an alcoholic ... or, if blood tells, he just gambled away anything he earned ...

Hmmm,

Gold beater, doesn't seem like the person finding it, more like the person treating it?

It's probably too far down the work chain to be a big money earner?


T x

Who was my dad's Auntie Nellie? Here she is in 1901 - who were her parents? was she born as Greig?


1901 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: St Machar
Civil Parish: Aberdeen Holburn
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 22 Rosebank Pl
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 109

John Greig 47 Rathen, Aberdnsh Head M Labourer-general
Lizzie Greig 45 Lonmay, Aberdnsh Wife M
James C Greig 18 Kininmouth [Kininmonth], Aberdnsh Son S Grocer-assistant
Maggie A Greig 14 Peterhead, Aberdnsh Daur S
Lewis Greig 15 Longside, Aberdnsh Son
Allan Greig 13 Old Deer, Aberdnsh Son Messenger
----new page-----------------------------
Hellen Mary Greig 5 Aberdeen, Aberdnsh Adopted Daur

Source Citation: Parish: Aberdeen Holburn; ED: 22; Page: 25; Line: 20; Roll: CSSCT1901_57; Year: 1901.
Source Citation: Parish: Aberdeen Holburn; ED: 22; Page: 26; Line: 1; Roll: CSSCT1901_57; Year: 1901.


John and Elizabeth Greig MS Johnston had 3 older sons Alexander 25, John 22, and William 21 with pob=Old Deer (based on 1881).

I told you it said he was a carrier.... Grrr


T x

So T, what's the wild theory here? My Ann was really Helen, maybe? ;)

08/05/1805 RAE HELEN - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE

Oh -- if you look at the Rae/Nicol births in Fife (hey, what am I paying you for??) -- does it say Henry's occupation?


Whaddaya know about gold beaters? Sounds like a reasonably good-wage occupation. And yet Richard was in the workhouse at least 1851-1869. Disability maybe. With his wife dying in Scotland in 1858. And him attending to register. The men in that family are odd.


................ stop sending me PMs .................... and close your mouth when you stick out your tongue ...................

i'm looking now to see what i can find for you.

Tracey x

A Big Thank you Tracey for your offer,
It sounds as though It will give me a breakthrough on Gt. Granddads side of the family.
Regards
Jan.

LOL,

No worries, i like to make sure all bases are covered....


T x

Hi Tracey


I'm not sure if you do have this but here is Catherine's marriage.

1883 MUNRO JOHN KINMOND CATHERINE HAY LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/01 0096

If you want the image please pm me your email addy


Thank you Tracey. Yes I do have that marriage image - it was her 2nd marriage. She had been previously married to Colin MacKenzie (took place in the East Indies but I've never been able to find the marriage :-(( .

Colin divorced her (got the records and very interesting reading they are too - well worth £15 lol).


Mary

....and then there's William.

12/03/1801 RAE WILLIAM HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL M KIRKCALDY /FIFE 442/00 0040 0074


T x

Oh, crossposting -- yes, looking back at those records I kept, the later births do have the mother's name --

23/02/1803 - RAE MARY - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - F - Kirkcaldy/FIFE

Duh. Richard didn't know her mother's name ... said "Anne" ... ?

edit - all births for that couple I had found:

08/05/1805 RAE HELEN - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE
20/03/1809 RAE GEORGE - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE
12/03/1801 RAE WILLIAM - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE

Hm, not "later births", the other births with father Henry Rae were in Glamis/Angus ... and they overlap so they're out, presumably.

Janet

Don't order the cert! I'll download it for you and email it to you...

Scottish certs pretty much give you all the same info, all include full parent details..... however having said that getting the parents marriage cert will give you the next generation.

The parent's birth certs can then be looked for..... Scottish birth certs include the date of the parents marriage, so trying to find their births will let you know whether either of ellen or Wm John's parents married in Ireland.


Tracey x

Tracey -- here's one that could be worth checking for poor moi.

1851

Name: Mrs. Ann Baird
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 654
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Black Foulds Hos

I have no doubt it says Baird, but ...

It's possible my Ann lied about her age. The only Ann Rae that I and someone connected with that Rae family somehow (or not ...) ever managed to find, with father henry, was:

04/02/1795 - RAE ANNE - HENRY RAE - F - Glamis/ANGUS - 289/ 0020 0209

but that just seemed really unlikely ... although it's possible, and that Alexander and William Rae were maybe nephews (the other children of that father were all born before 1805).

Janey,

20/03/1809 RAE GEORGE son of HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL M KIRKCALDY /FIFE 442/00 0040 0121

Want the image? Says George son of Henry Rae Carrier....

So that's a start?

Fife, not Edinburgh....

T xx