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Advice please Tracey re Scottish records.

Wm. John Louden (son of George Louden & Hannah Diamond)
Married
Ellen Jane Darrah (daughter of Hugh Darragh and Bridget Docherty)
Married 24 May 1872 St. Johns Glasgow.

Daughter Bridget 1873 & Son George 1874. both born Glasgow.

please, which Scottish Cert do I order to find if they were Scottish or Irish?

Many thanks in advance for any help given.
Jan.

Don't apologise Chris, your doing exactly what this thrad was intended to do...interact and solve problems!

T x

Yes, seen W N Draper...daughter Priscilla born London 1825.
Parents are in London 1841, (Grace is nursing in St. Pancras, daughter Priscilla with a couple in Bethnal Green, (down as Jane) Thomas haven't found him, (he is a carpenter) Grace is widowed on 1851 with daughter Priscilla, Saffron Hill, London.

Only discovered W N Draper when ANC. London Baptisms came online.
Perhaps they went back to Cornwall for a couple of years where Geo Aug was born (hadn't seen him), then came back to London.

Will make a project on the two boys...I'm on the verge of ordering Marriage 1855, W N Draper to Ann Jinks. Devon (FreeBMD)...

Chris :)

(apologies to Tracey)...


Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
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DRAPER George Augustus 80 Edmonton 3a 350

(just found this)

Will work on it, and report back :-)

Eh, I just sent it to torment you.

Not totally -- my request on the Clinic was entirely genuine.

Ancestry messes things up, and with the Scottish censuses there's no way to tell, since there's no access to images.

I do seem to have saved the SP census image for

Name: Ann Berwind
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Leith Walk 3 Hope Ch
Occupation: F Servant

so I guess I decded that wasn't her, for instance.

It's not that I haven't tried! It's just so hard to get the second head to rub together for Scottish thingies.

You cheeky mare.....!!!!

I'm currently looking as we speak and have been in and out of your post since you posted!!

Sheesh.... just can't help yourself huh :)

Welcome onboard....

T xx

So Chris, as long as Tracey is ignoring my SP request ;) -- let's just take over her thread!

Other births to Thomas Draper and Grace:

Name: William Nicholas Draper (Nicholas is a regional Cornwall name as well)
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1829
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS, SHOREDITCH, LONDON, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1829
Father's Name: Thomas Draper
Mother's Name: Grace
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-5

Name: Geo Augustus Draper
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 May 1827
> Baptism/Christening Place: MEVAGISSEY, CORNWALL, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Tho Draper
Mother's Name: Grace
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P02063-1

Did either survive? and where are any of these people in 1841??

CM,

I'm not sure if you do have this but here is Catherine's marriage.

1883 MUNRO JOHN KINMOND CATHERINE HAY LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/01 0096

If you want the image please pm me your email addy

T x

Hi Tracey

Thanks for trying - and thanks for finding the parents marriage. :-))) This Catherine has proved to be very elusive. :-)))

Mary

Lol, Janey, Well I've never found a marriage for Grace to Thomas Draper...
First child Priscilla born in London 1825 (have details, her life done, and Grace's death in Cornwall 1881 as she went back home)

Nearest I've ever found was in Tewkesbury Glos. 1824 25th Feb. on IGI. (needs checking though)

(will have a look round on Cornwall OPC)

Chris :)

(might ask that Victor on 'Records', he's offering Glos. look ups, not something I normally do though is ask!)

T,

thanks for looking,
They're a right pain, been looking for them for years,

jean

James,

A little left of centre....

26/11/1756 ORR AGNES JAMES ORR/AGNES JAFFRAY FR1128 ST NINIANS /STIRLING 488/00 0030 0275

Possible for Agnes, i know she'd have been very old having the children, not unheard of tho?


Tracey x

Still not finding them Jean :(


T x

No prob, Chris -- while I was there I looked up a baptism I'd just found at pilot.familysearch ... for some reason, my grx2 grmother was running around baptising her kids years after they were born, and there's one in 1860 she managed to miss in 1857 when she did a batch of four. And she missed his younger brother who was only baptised as an adult in anticipation of death in 1872. If only I could find the parents' marriage ... non-marriage (and maybe non-paternity) may explain some of these baptisms, though. ;) Or maybe she just waited til non-believing dad moved to London ... The Cornwall OPC record has more info than pilot.familysearch does, so it was worth the trip!

Couldn't find any other events for your Allen people.

Chris,

Your age makes you seasoned..... not old!!

The info i found was on the new beta site on Familysearch (the Mormon site)

beta.familysearch.org

It's free for anyone to search !

Tracey x

Tracey,
You are correct with the marriages and births for Henry and Margaret , they also had another son born before they married in 1866,

jean

Ooh thankyou Tracey, I'm very grateful :-)

Lol, I'm now ducking, as can feel things being thrown through the screen from you and Janey, got a good excuse as I'm 50 something today, so brain not what it was yesterday, tee hee.
Great job your'e doing, sending a big star, colour to be chosen by you!, Lol.

Chris :)

(will note Janey's Info. too, Thankyou, have a star too!)

Chris,

This is the baptism you refer to?

Name Grace Jolly Allen
Event Type Baptism
Christening Date 12 Jan 1800
Christening Place Mevagissey, Cornwall
Father's Name James Allen
Mother's Name Priscilla Allen
Record Set RG4_0201

Tracey, I think it's my fault for copy and pasting, it's made it look like first name Allen instead of surname Allen.
Should be Grace Jolly Allen...

Chris :)

Curious about Chris's query -- Allen Grace? A male person? Grace is a fairly common woman's name in Cornwall/Devon.

Cornwall OPC site

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?dbname=baptisms_nc

has, for instance:

Baptism Circuit: Penzance, Independent
Date: 06-Nov 1791
Where baptised: Penzance, Octagon Chapel
Name: Grace JOLLY
Father: Richard
Mother: Grace
Residence: Mevegissey

No 1800 Jolly baptism for similar given names there.

I see a Jolly baptism in St Allen parish. Could that be what the "Allen" means??

Hey Chris,

Do you want to go back and double check, i am happy to search again for you :)

Tracey x